FervemtPatriot,

I tend to be a bit snide due to the fact that people are of the world. If they were not of the world, we would not be in the state of mess that we are in. From what you have stated, you are a victim of the system.

In short, the statement you have an issue with is in regard to people's love of the system over the truth. People rather have toys and buy into the illusion that they own property. Maybe the worst tragedy of all are the people who think the system is a good thing and are being taken by it, as you appear to be.

Wow..Ferv....1 comment and it's  ...a complaint about a complaint?

Seriously? 

This is a forum where people who are looking to improve their lives through education, insight and effort while trying as hard as possible to shake off the obvious excuses for failing to do so.

I'd welcome anyone with an honest argument and an open mind but after that, I would ask you to try again with "hello" 

Credo honest argument 

Explain what you think a honest argument is.

Jerry wrote on Apr 29th, 2010 at 2:32pm:


Jerry,  perhaps that wasn't the best phrase to use, but is the one that popped into my head as an appropriate response.
I feel that Fervemt's 1st post was knee-jerk and disingenuous and my instant reaction was to question his motive for setting the tone that he did.

I suppose by "honest argument", I was intending something more along the lines of "constructive criticism"
Perhaps at the age of 76, you have earned the right to just say what is on your mind, damn the consequences and those who don't like it can just deal with it.

This is mostly a first impression thing I think. I've never seen the guy before.  Suddenly he bursts through the door swinging a bat.  I'll admit it. I flinched.

Credo, I am also guilty of swinging the bat back. It just really boils my blood to know at this age of 50 that I had a choice but was never told or even a hint to the fact my life could have been so different.   

Instead of firing off I try to ask questions first.

Hi everyone, I am a newbie. I am in the process of reading TRA, after I pick my jaw up off of the floor, I get upset at the fact, that we have had an option all along, and how they have not let us in on that fact.. It is very concerning to me, it just goes to show their fraud and deception that they perpetuate on us. It is very hard to admit to yourself, that the government you thought was your original government, is not. But, I have sensed for a long time that things were just not right with it.  The justice that is promoted, is not for us, but, for them.. I learned that in my 20's. The system is working against us and not for us, like they would have you believe.  I tell everyone about the book and am trying to learn how to best explain it easier, for people who still look at the system with their rose colored glasses on, so as to help them get it sooner than later... Time is of the essence, as the beast has picked up a great deal of momentum recently, that is why I think alot of people are awaking to it.. As the book explains, it started so many years ago, and very stealthily implanted, very slowly to be like invisible, the speeding of the momentum has made it more visible to everyone... Thank you LB Bork for doing the research and putting this book together and everyone else who is involved in trying to turn this thing around and bring us back to our rightful/lawful original government.. I was listening to one of the talkshoe recordings of previous shows and heard of the Title 14 in the U.S. Codes of being able to exchange your FRN's in for gold, checked it out and Woops, there it is... The dirty rotten scroundels that they are... Thank you all to a grateful new member and reader.. I plan on rereading TRA, also, my plan of study/action is to get highlighters as suggested, it is a great idea, and to buy the Black's Law Dictionary Sixth Edition and Bouvier's Law Dictionary of 1856.. You can get them on Amazon.com for very affordable prices, used at like $7.00 or $8.00.. So, I am going to sign up, for the present cost of becoming a State/National as the new price would take me too long to be able to do, as it would take me too long to gather up enough monies... Thank you again.. LB Bork.. Mylene

I finished reading "the Book" a week ago (or so) and now I'm on my second reading.  I also use it for reference when trying to explain to my friends and associates how we have been duped and we no longer afford to be silent.

Recently, I went through the Deprogramming Sequence on PAC.
I am sure impressed with The Red Amendment, so far.

I'm very pleased to have met up with PAC. Feels like I'm learning something that matters!

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Would you like to join the Crew?  Private message me.

We'd love to have someone from the country of the midnight sun 

Hello everyone, I am new here!

I've been Deprogrammed, but sadly I have not read TRA, yet!

I will, utterly without a doubt, read it ASAP.

Hello!
I am in the process of reading The Red Amendment.
I have ordered a hard copy of Webster's 1828 and Black's 6th Ed. to have as references.
Any other suggestions for references?

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Bouvier's 1856 Edition is a must... You can get that online.

• http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1248755418

Thanks for the tip and the link!

I have read The Red Amendment (Deluxe Edition) and it was absolutely brilliant. I am getting ready for my second reading, and I really want to get copies of some of the sources mentioned in TRA. Including the Corpus Juris Secundum, The Law of Nations, and Bouvier's Law Dictionary 1856 Edition.

I am excited to correct my Nationality and to put the pressure on this De Facto system from the outside. I just really wish that there were more State Nationals here in Ohio, it would be really nice to have a community working together.

Well, I'm going to have to add you to the PAC Educational Groups in this forum so you can see that category

Way to go!

You can search Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary online.  Got my Black's 6th Edition from Amazon (used).