Just a "p.s." and an observation..

174 views, 36 votes, 14 replies..

See what I mean?

WE are exploring answers . at least some of us are. we have our minds made up to the path we are taking. So what can be gained by trying to belittle anothers educated point of view? I would say that educated here is the misnomer. for in our education system they have not taught civics in many many years. Civics was the training in school to teach people how to act and govern in a Republic. And as I see the govenments deletion has worked well. for most consider our country a democracy.  by the very definition they are worlds apart. but simply stated Democracy is mob rule and republic is people governed by laws . which means that if i Jonny hate mark i cant use 51% of the people to kill him. for in his safety are the laws that this country has made to safeguard all liberties . But if a people are taught that truly this is a democracy or even a Democratic Republic then the 51% are the laws. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------ Stephen you spoke the truth. the De-facto and De-jure are separate like oil and water. And i thank God for that reason. but when you only understand that you are the bottom of the chain of the nation you are nothing more than the slaves to that tyranny., for who makes the laws? yout tyrannist. And i say only by re-establishing the Republic will we be able to help ourselves and others to remake what this Government has taken from us. To do that we need to repopulate the de-jure side of this Republic. That can only be done by extracting oneself  from the other side. The illegal immigation for instance is only a feature of this government letting my ,< yes my family into this country under the auspices of Azatlan or reconquestidore  of lands taken from Mexicans. And i am of mexican and indian/and white heritage. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------In the very nature of this governments act to supplant our voters with those that will vote for this present administration, is the beast showing its nature. People here are beginning to see their very plans. I believe that our time is short. I believe that we the people must learn our ancient ways to find our future. And yes Stephan we are worlds apart from the very founders who made this country. But you must all see, for to re-establish our heritage we must reclaim our Republic. I have done so I and others in the Restore America plan have made a decision seperate from Tim Turner and the others of the guardians. for they  too  are but fledglings in their search. also we in Idaho and other States have said that this road is good but it shouldnt be built on any one mans dream for we are the people and thru our studies as a group will  we learn our way back. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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----------------------------------------------------------I stand resolute in this Because i have prayed and found it to be the way. but! when dealing with people you must ask God for help and guidence for only he can help you follow the way. IN closing I have no arguement with any of you but those that make statements without learning the true facts. Bork and i have argued but he brelieves in all his studies that his plan is the way. he is intelligent and i admire his steadfastness. but Bork we can argue all day about cause and effect but at the end of that day only those who practice their beliefs will be shown the true path. So Sir i would approach you with this thought. Lets us agree to dissagree but those whom we lead we are responsible for their welfare. And i believe that only in a true republic may we be able to guide others to salvation. For God is there waiting to help the needy and the meek for as it is said, that these will inherit the earth in the end. Vaya con Dios

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Nonmembers may also see this poll/thread, but may not vote, hence, tons of views.  Too, folks come back to view the comments added to the thread...more views counted. As to ratio of votes to replies, so far there is one yes vote, with Quisno giving comment as to why he said yes, and 15 no votes where some who voted no have yet to reply, like myself.

I voted no. How do you fight and order a de facto government when you have consented and are a citizen of the de facto government. The way to kill the corruption is kill the de facto, extract yourself from it and get back to de jure.

Jerry wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 6:29am:


It's coming 

I'd never heard of The Guardians of the Free Republic (GFR) until I saw this poll. After looking into them a bit, I voted "NO" on the poll.

The GFR general strategy seems to be to assert their authority and take over the existing machinery of government. They seem to simply think that "if our guys were in charge we could fix this".

There's a lot of truth to the idea that "we get the government we deserve".

If the GFR were to succeed, I doubt that anything significant would change.  Most people in our society have lost (or have never developed) the virtue of independence, have no desire for self-reliance (or have been duped into believing that it's impossible), and look to the government to provide all sorts of things that should be available by trading in a free market. This has gone on for so long that it's difficult to imagine otherwise.

PAC's approach - to withdraw consent from the post-14th amendment Federal government and refuse to sustain it or to be sustained by it - is a much more practical solution, even though it requires a lot more effort. As more of us become State Nationals, the government will be come less effective and have to either change or die.  More importantly, people will find ways to live without it and do so, the way a host organism that regains it's health repels a parasite.

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There is no such "thing" as "soverign citizen"... and there has never been a "Republic"..you want it back?? well guess what.. it's here to stay..If you believe that this Federation of Independent Nation States is a Republic, well it actually has become one by people Voting, as well as through stealth via the 14th. You want a Republic?? How's these: Peoples REPUBLIC of China, The Union of Soviet Socialist REPUBLICS, The Democratic REPUBLIC of Congo, The REPUBLIC of North Korea, The REPUBLIC of Cuba...etc..A REPUBLIC is two political classes: Those who make the rules, and those who follow the rules..sounds like The REPUBLIC of the united states of America...welcome to your REPUBLIC..now you don't have to get it back..it's been given to you..

Res publica is a Latin phrase, made of res + publica, literally meaning "public thing" or "public matter". It is the origin of the word 'Republic'.

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Quisno what kind of BS is this. You just can't see that we here at PAC can see right through this BS you are spiting out. The US government need people like you so they can keep going in the same direction they are going in. It is people like you who have no clue to the truth of the matter at hand here.

THEY WANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CLUE TO HOW THE LAWS OF THE DE FACTO GOVERNMENT WORKS SO THEY CAN KEEP YOU IN SERVATUDE GET IT.

AND THEY DON'T CARE WHAT RACE YOU ARE!!!!!!!!

YOU ARE EITHER A OR A AGENT.

I voted no because United States citizens under contract with, and taking benefits from the corporation cannot possibly be de jure. They would just be seen as unruly subjects, known by the Patriot Act as potential domestic terrorists.

"If you become a Guardian, you will be agreeing to avoid such public proclamations."

Hard to think there would be much effect there.

David Merrill, why is it that you think GOTFR and their Grand Juries will work as you voted yes?

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LeAnne wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 9:58pm:




Like I already showed you the juries are bonded. But I understand what you mean by being hammered around here if supported opinions get removed to the blather dump for lost persons of the forum.

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I have no SSN, drivers license etc.

What I was showing the readers here is the bonding that James Timothy TURNER has put in place behind the de jure juries. Maybe if I keep it a bit more succinct?