You may want to look at the other posts on the Guardians.

They may be found in The Wolves in Sheeps Clothing section of the forum :

• http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?board=IA_Wolves
  

I have a firm insight that this whole thing is a sting operation of the adversary.

Both Sam Kennedy and Tim Turner have use the "redemption" nonsense to suck people in.
The past several years many people have been prosecuted and lost property due to those scams.

All divide and conquer tactics... All very sad.

I voted no, it won't work, because I feel, that we don't need guardians set up to protect us, I think we, the State Nationals would be the ones to decide how to best take care of ourselves, as a community in our own countries.

First of all I have to say where in Yahweh's perfect laws in the bible does he authorize Grand Juries.  Not to menchion if people took time to look at the US Constitution they would find that it is more Anti Christian then it is Christian and goes against Yahweh's perfect laws in the bible.  The best thing to do is correct our Nationality.  Let the US Constitutional system die a natural death and live under Yahweh's perfect laws where Yahweh is Sovereign.  That means quit participating in a Constitutional system that is condemned by Yahweh from its inception people.

I voted no on this subject.  Look at what Rev. Manning did at the U of Columbia ordeal.  The so-called jury found long legged mac daddy Obama guilty on all counts and was told it was illegal.  It's hard to have a trial by a jury of your peers if you have no peers as jury members.    Just the copyright on "their" laws should be enough to let you know that it is a private law system and you should remove yourself from it. 

I liked the one  "they will save us [smiley=hypnotized.gif]"   The only one that will save you is yourself. No one else can do it for you.

Mylene wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 3:01pm:

I voted no, it won't work, because I feel, that we don't need guardians set up to protect us, I think we, the State Nationals would be the ones to decide how to best take care of ourselves, as a community in our own countries.

I agree. State Nationals must be responsible for their communities and countries.

I voted "No" because the de facto government will ignore de jure movements. There is no incentive among the unlawful to change their ways, as most people believe that "if it's a law, it must be lawful," and, most statutes reinforce and reward the government's behavior.

Won't Work...why?? Lost humans responding to a lost cause.

im not here to blast you,for you evidently feel that by grace of God you are to be saved. I am a Grand jurist De-jure. And i like you are frustrated at the whole thing. this government is set to take over this nation which it has been doing since 1913 but got teeth into their plan in 1933 and with the civlil rights act, turned us into a socialist democracy. now we watch as Obama puts the final touches on the one world orders plan of total control. as we capitulate  there are many who are doing something. i and 'Restore America Plan' has put our lives on the line to try one last time to bring back the Republic. and repopulate with soverign citizens.  actually we have had success in Alabama and else where. but its slow. And in here many place Judgements on our efforts and ridicule us for our attempts. we have the Tea party to use to gain new Reps in the federal government but it may be too little too late. but Id rather die trying to re-establish our Republic than tell others that they are the problem and place blame on their efforts. For we all Know that this is an ending. or we woudnt be here.  this road isnt easy brecause you have many minds going in different directions. and its truly difficult to heard turkeys in a thunder storm. not to say that most are brainless but years of training have modified our approach to life. We are at a crossroads. our time is very short and we should learn to support efforts to reinstall this Republic. Much disinformation is spred by persons of other intentions and this government has had many years of learning how to seperate the masses and put them on each others throats. Selma and the south come to mind. Waco Ruby ridge and others come to mind. And what is our purpose? and what do we wish to accomplish? there will be those who will be confronted by their neighbors to find an answer. but arguments are the last thing we need . I put to you to study the beginning of this nation and the "committees of safety" for from them came the people who worked to establish this Republic . and in their history we will find our future. So you may find fault with my decision, but never my nature. For I am one man who believes in God and have prayed for many hours for guidance. No! we as people are not perfect so we do need help. but actions truly speak better than words. And i have placed my honor and my intelligence to finding a way, along with the grace of God, to come to an answer. And all I want is my Republic back. Thankyou Quis

I feel this and other such networks are a set up as a trap or snare.
Lure them in, keep them focused, keep them busy. Keep them hoping.  Lot's of "look at this, don't worry about that. We've got this covered, give it time...."

It is sad to see so many people ensnared and dangling as they are. Knowing that if they don't escape they are doomed.

wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 4:59pm:

I voted no on this subject. ............... ..........  The only one that will save you is yourself. No one else can do it for you.

That sentiment is what brings me back here again and again. Well put!

We, the people, are the guardians. Unfortunately the majority of people have no desire to be guardians or jurists of any sort. We have an ignorant citizenry in this country.

I voted no because it ain't de jure!

De jure and defacto are like oil & water, they don't mix!

wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 10:11pm:

im not here to blast you,for you evidently feel that by grace of God you are to be saved. I am a Grand jurist De-jure.

I am a Grand jurist De-jure. [smiley=banned.gif] [smiley=hypnotized.gif]

I voted "No" to this polling, As I believe that, Though this is in theory, A means for solution. The idea of abducating control and power for what the ruling parties consider a "Threat", Is perhaps the wrong approach. Nor do I do not think the "Tea party canidates feel that there will be enough voices in this movement to stand behind the idea. I am indeed a believer that this is exactly what so many of the, PAC,RTR,END THE FED type movements would like to achieve. However,... Until the majority of the American people, get informed, Get involved and get Together, pretty much every one of these movements will not be taken serious, and will be considered by the ruling parties a "Threat".  What is Lacking in these movements?? Take a look into the media.. What sell's appeal? Where is the mentality of the majority? How can one appeal to this, Non commital, mis/un-informed section of Americans?  Our President found the secret.. We need a Canidate. We need the celebrity involvement. We need media support. We need to point out all of the failing of the current ruling parties. We need to be able to demonstrate the successes of the ideas our groups have. We need to be able to reward those that cross the boundries(so to speak).  The reputation's these groups have(stereotypical) as Left wing,rightwing,fanatical,marxist,.... Half of the populous aren't exactly sure what this is and consider it wrong to be involved in any group with such a label. The religious factor is a "No-No".. Cant mix beliefs.. My God may not be the same as your God.. My government tho', should be the same. Everyone can conceptualize this.
To much banter on what is right. What the right thing to do is. What we want to happen.. It is and will continue to be just that.. Banter..

Believe me, I'm sick to death of the way things are, I would love to see change. I desire it with all the fibers of my being, I introduce these concepts into all my daily conversations with those that I have even five minutes to speak with. The Majority of which consider me "Fanatical" and "Anti-Government" and a "Nut Case" and pretty much go on in their daily lives and forget anything I've pointed out to them. I'm certain that their are possibly several government agencies monitoring every key stroke on my computer, My travels and my bank accounts. Not much I can do about it though.. I didnt vote them in nor does my voice mean anything in their decisions on how they control those aspect of my life and privacy..
The Majority rules.. Is that still valid? or just in the board room votes? Hummm..

Get informed.. Get involved.. Get together..   

Just a "p.s." and an observation..

174 views, 36 votes, 14 replies..

See what I mean? 

WE are exploring answers . at least some of us are. we have our minds made up to the path we are taking. So what can be gained by trying to belittle anothers educated point of view? I would say that educated here is the misnomer. for in our education system they have not taught civics in many many years. Civics was the training in school to teach people how to act and govern in a Republic. And as I see the govenments deletion has worked well. for most consider our country a democracy.  by the very definition they are worlds apart. but simply stated Democracy is mob rule and republic is people governed by laws . which means that if i Jonny hate mark i cant use 51% of the people to kill him. for in his safety are the laws that this country has made to safeguard all liberties . But if a people are taught that truly this is a democracy or even a Democratic Republic then the 51% are the laws. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen you spoke the truth. the De-facto and De-jure are separate like oil and water. And i thank God for that reason. but when you only understand that you are the bottom of the chain of the nation you are nothing more than the slaves to that tyranny., for who makes the laws? yout tyrannist. And i say only by re-establishing the Republic will we be able to help ourselves and others to remake what this Government has taken from us. To do that we need to repopulate the de-jure side of this Republic. That can only be done by extracting oneself  from the other side. The illegal immigation for instance is only a feature of this government letting my ,< yes my family into this country under the auspices of Azatlan or reconquestidore  of lands taken from Mexicans. And i am of mexican and indian/and white heritage. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In the very nature of this governments act to supplant our voters with those that will vote for this present administration, is the beast showing its nature. People here are beginning to see their very plans. I believe that our time is short. I believe that we the people must learn our ancient ways to find our future. And yes Stephan we are worlds apart from the very founders who made this country. But you must all see, for to re-establish our heritage we must reclaim our Republic. I have done so I and others in the Restore America plan have made a decision seperate from Tim Turner and the others of the guardians. for they  too  are but fledglings in their search. also we in Idaho and other States have said that this road is good but it shouldnt be built on any one mans dream for we are the people and thru our studies as a group will  we learn our way back. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I stand resolute in this Because i have prayed and found it to be the way. but! when dealing with people you must ask God for help and guidence for only he can help you follow the way. IN closing I have no arguement with any of you but those that make statements without learning the true facts. Bork and i have argued but he brelieves in all his studies that his plan is the way. he is intelligent and i admire his steadfastness. but Bork we can argue all day about cause and effect but at the end of that day only those who practice their beliefs will be shown the true path. So Sir i would approach you with this thought. Lets us agree to dissagree but those whom we lead we are responsible for their welfare. And i believe that only in a true republic may we be able to guide others to salvation. For God is there waiting to help the needy and the meek for as it is said, that these will inherit the earth in the end. Vaya con Dios

wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 11:00am:

Just a "p.s." and an observation.. 174 views, 36 votes, 14 replies.. See what I mean?

Nonmembers may also see this poll/thread, but may not vote, hence, tons of views.  Too, folks come back to view the comments added to the thread...more views counted. As to ratio of votes to replies, so far there is one yes vote, with Quisno giving comment as to why he said yes, and 15 no votes where some who voted no have yet to reply, like myself.
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I voted no. How do you fight and order a de facto government when you have consented and are a citizen of the de facto government. The way to kill the corruption is kill the de facto, extract yourself from it and get back to de jure.

Jerry wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 6:29am:

wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 10:11pm: im not here to blast you,for you evidently feel that by grace of God you are to be saved. I am a Grand jurist De-jure. I am a Grand jurist De-jure. [smiley=banned.gif] [smiley=hypnotized.gif]

It's coming  [smiley=happy.gif]

I'd never heard of The Guardians of the Free Republic (GFR) until I saw this poll. After looking into them a bit, I voted "NO" on the poll.

The GFR general strategy seems to be to assert their authority and take over the existing machinery of government. They seem to simply think that "if our guys were in charge we could fix this".

There's a lot of truth to the idea that "we get the government we deserve".

If the GFR were to succeed, I doubt that anything significant would change.  Most people in our society have lost (or have never developed) the virtue of independence, have no desire for self-reliance (or have been duped into believing that it's impossible), and look to the government to provide all sorts of things that should be available by trading in a free market. This has gone on for so long that it's difficult to imagine otherwise.

PAC's approach - to withdraw consent from the post-14th amendment Federal government and refuse to sustain it or to be sustained by it - is a much more practical solution, even though it requires a lot more effort. As more of us become State Nationals, the government will be come less effective and have to either change or die.  More importantly, people will find ways to live without it and do so, the way a host organism that regains it's health repels a parasite.

wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 10:11pm:

snip- line to try one last time to bring back the Republic. and repopulate with soverign citizens. -snip  And i have placed my honor and my intelligence to finding a way, along with the grace of God, to come to an answer. And all I want is my Republic back. Thankyou Quis end snip

There is no such "thing" as "soverign citizen"... and there has never been a "Republic"..you want it back?? well guess what.. it's here to stay..If you believe that this Federation of Independent Nation States is a Republic, well it actually has become one by people Voting, as well as through stealth via the 14th. You want a Republic?? How's these: Peoples REPUBLIC of China, The Union of Soviet Socialist REPUBLICS, The Democratic REPUBLIC of Congo, The REPUBLIC of North Korea, The REPUBLIC of Cuba...etc..A REPUBLIC is two political classes: Those who make the rules, and those who follow the rules..sounds like The REPUBLIC of the united states of America...welcome to your REPUBLIC..now you don't have to get it back..it's been given to you..

Res publica is a Latin phrase, made of res + publica, literally meaning "public thing" or "public matter". It is the origin of the word 'Republic'.

wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 1:49pm:

The illegal immigation for instance is only a feature of this government letting my ,< yes my family into this country under the auspices of Azatlan or reconquestidore  of lands taken from Mexicans. And i am of mexican and indian/and white heritage.

Quisno what kind of BS is this. You just can't see that we here at PAC can see right through this BS you are spiting out. The US government need people like you so they can keep going in the same direction they are going in. It is people like you who have no clue to the truth of the matter at hand here.

THEY WANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CLUE TO HOW THE LAWS OF THE DE FACTO GOVERNMENT WORKS SO THEY CAN KEEP YOU IN SERVATUDE GET IT.

AND THEY DON'T CARE WHAT RACE YOU ARE!!!!!!!!

YOU ARE EITHER A [smiley=hypnotized.gif] [smiley=moron.gif] OR A AGENT.

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I voted no because United States citizens under contract with, and taking benefits from the corporation cannot possibly be de jure. They would just be seen as unruly subjects, known by the Patriot Act as potential domestic terrorists.

"If you become a Guardian, you will be agreeing to avoid such public proclamations."

Hard to think there would be much effect there.

David Merrill, why is it that you think GOTFR and their Grand Juries will work as you voted yes?

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LeAnne wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 9:58pm:

David Merrill, why is it that you think GOTFR and their Grand Juries will work as you voted yes?

Like I already showed you the juries are bonded. But I understand what you mean by being hammered around here if supported opinions get removed to the blather dump for lost persons of the forum.

LeAnne said:


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I'm afraid you are chasing a rabbit trail and it will come to a no-good end, unfortunately. It will take some due diligence in order to understand. You have or are reading The Red Amendment? If so, you know that you are utilizing their private law system. Do you have a driver's license, a voter registration card, any kind of license, a bank account, a Social Security Number, and so on?  If so, you are a U.S. citizen and you have no standing, regardless how many financing statements you file. It is a bad end that one comes to, regardless that it might "seem" to work for a time.  Evenutally, one slips up and finds themselves in big trouble doing what you are doing.

I have no SSN, drivers license etc.

What I was showing the readers here is the bonding that James Timothy TURNER has put in place behind the de jure juries. Maybe if I keep it a bit more succinct?

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7563/lienfinancingstatement.jpg

You cannot be DE JURE when you (and the bodies politic) are DE FACTO.

The whole De Jure Grand Jury is a joke.

LB Bork wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 8:32pm:

You cannot be DE JURE when you (and the bodies politic) are DE FACTO. The whole De Jure Grand Jury is a joke.

You might be right. I tried to find the rules of court and discovered that there are none. So I suspect that the only backing is the bond, if any authority exists at all.

Court of Ten Millions Dollars.

wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 8:46pm:

LB Bork wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 8:32pm: You cannot be DE JURE when you (and the bodies politic) are DE FACTO. The whole De Jure Grand Jury is a joke. You might be right. I tried to find the rules of court and discovered that there are none. So I suspect that the only backing is the bond, if any authority exists at all. Court of Ten Millions Dollars.

You tried to find the rules of court!

And there were none!

I know someone that is selling land on the moon do you want to buy!!

Seeing someone has sold you this line of BS.

Seeing that you have crossed the line here see if you can rescue yourself.  And if I am wrong then I will admit it. Let the games began!! I promise you I will drag you through the mud I will be relentless.

Quote:

You might be right. I tried to find the rules of court and discovered that there are none. So I suspect that the only backing is the bond, if any authority exists at all.

That's the key..the "authority". Since I, as a living being have no authority to require you to do anything (except keep your paws/mitts off my stuff), where does any government "agency", "agent", "division", "employee", "assignee", etc... have any supposed authority to demand anything from you?

It's all entwined in the brainwashing/mind control., starting from inception into the public fool system (indoctrination centers), continuing into "higher" education. The "authority" isn't there, it's all programing.

The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner begins to unravel the deception.

wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 10:45pm:

Quote: You might be right. I tried to find the rules of court and discovered that there are none. So I suspect that the only backing is the bond, if any authority exists at all. That's the key..the "authority". Since I, as a living being have no authority to require you to do anything (except keep your paws/mitts off my stuff), where does any government "agency", "agent", "division", "employee", "assignee", etc... have any supposed authority to demand anything from you? It's all entwined in the brainwashing/mind control., starting from inception into the public fool system (indoctrination centers), continuing into "higher" education. The "authority" isn't there, it's all programing. The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner begins to unravel the deception.

Bonding creates authority. That is what I meant. Published court rules would be an outward sign of a positive law jural society. Having the funding behind any injury caused by an erroneous judgment though - that is real authority.

The taxpayers require the judges to subscribe and oath and if they fail to conform to that oath and statute they lose judicial immunity. The taxpayers have to pay out of the judge's bond when someone is found injured by that malfeasance of office. Ergo, the system has authority.

David, are you a state national?

Jerry wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 11:17pm:

David, are you a state national?

No, he captured his Straw Man  [smiley=boggie.gif]

OK David Your ass is mine!! You want to play?

He has also not read the Red and he has been on this forum since 2008. For someone tending to promote research in photocopy, a poor job has been done of it.
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Been down a lot of rabbit trails, but not the trail with the answers to the questions all along.  To bad, that. Really should read The Red Amendment before chasing rabbit trails and flaunting it in the face of this particular forum. After two years and never having read the Red? Unbelievable. Time again to clean house of those who have been in the forum and either never posted (after a particular amount of time) or read the Red, perhaps?


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What I showed you all was the secretary of state financing statement with the Colorado republic Great Seal for the collateral.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7398/20mlienoriginalreturn.jpg

And the articles of incorporation integrating that document into mine with the two stampings at the top.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6262/20mlien16.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9568/20mlien17.jpg

For whatever reason, even with the agent's address Colorado Republic, LB decided to open up a discard category and remove all that. Now you all seem confused about what a republic is and why the SoS could not respond to the address on the Colorado Republic. That is not very surprising.

Jerry is a little disturbing. I have shown you factual documentation published at the Secretary of State had he says my ass is his? What's with that?



Regards,

David Merrill.


P.S. LeAnne;

I looked and you asked one question, which I answered and then you gave me an advisement, which I considered and decided not to take.

wrote on Jun 16th, 2010 at 11:43pm:

What I showed you all was the secretary of state financing statement with the Colorado republic Great Seal for the collateral. http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7398/20mlienoriginalreturn.jpg And the articles of incorporation integrating that document into mine with the two stampings at the top. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6262/20mlien16.jpg http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9568/20mlien17.jpg For whatever reason, even with the agent's address Colorado Republic, LB decided to open up a discard category and remove all that. Now you all seem confused about what a republic is and why the SoS could not respond to the address on the Colorado Republic. That is not very surprising. Jerry is a little disturbing. I have shown you factual documentation published at the Secretary of State had he says my ass is his? What's with that? Regards, David Merrill. P.S. LeAnne; I looked and you asked one question, which I answered and then you gave me an advisement, which I considered and decided not to take.

I can tell that you are not a state national. LB has laid out the issue of using UCC codes and if you are using them as a state national then you have lost your status. You want to pay more? You are trying to sell land on the moon by doing this. We do not play that game here. Go sell some were else. You are pointing out a con game, just what they want you to believe.

Most who come to this forum have read the material in the plethora of information given within the portals of PAC and Not My Government, have a pretty good understanding of it, and do get and read The Red Amendment prior to posting or very soon thereafter.  This happens to be an educational forum with a sound foundation. It is indeed unfortunate that there are some who join and stay away for months and months only to resurface when their particular rabbit hole is brought to light, i.e. this Guardian's poll.

We do not subscribe to these beliefs you are purporting, and it is an affront to the people of this forum to have joined and never to have done due diligence as regards what PAC is about.

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It's coming.

I think your problem is that you declare yourself a state national while the Colorado secretary of state declares me a state national. I am not boasting about the lien and its authenticity. I am showing you for one thing, that the secretary of state threatened me with a Class 5 forgery felony until I made it clear that I was affiliated with state business by picking up the resulting trust for this fellow they could not communicate with because he is on the Colorado Republic.

You seem confused and disturbed to let the accusations fly so easily. Take a look at what I showed you about the Colorado Republic. I think you just get confused and decide it best to start accusing people for confusing you.



Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S.



LeAnne wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 12:00am:

Most who come to this forum have read the material in the plethora of information given within the portals of PAC and Not My Government, have a pretty good understanding of it, and do get and read The Red Amendment prior to posting or very soon thereafter.  This happens to be an educational forum with a sound foundation. It is indeed unfortunate that there are some who join and stay away for months and months only to resurface when their particular rabbit hole is brought to light, i.e. this Guardian's poll. We do not subscribe to these beliefs you are purporting, and it is an affront to the people of this forum to have joined and never to have done due diligence as regards what PAC is about. [smiley=banned.gif] It's coming.

I had no idea that you were all so narrow minded as that.

I said your ass is mine because you are siting UCC garbage On this site which tells me that you are not informed of the truth or you are a shill. Pick one!!!!!! 

No room for BS. 

Jerry wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 12:02am:

I said your ass is mine because you are siting UCC garbage On this site which tells me that you are not informed of the truth of you are a shill. Pick one!!!!!!

Truth be told I sent the first lien in without the UCC-1 Financing Statement to compel the secretary of state to demand it. I wanted it published in order to settle so I sent it with a cover the second time. And you see the third time it was published. I understand where you are coming from. I am showing you something interesting about the Colorado Republic and use of the Great Seal.

If you proclaim to be a state national then I suppose you have a Great Seal for your state?

wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 12:08am:

Truth be told I sent the first lien in without the UCC-1 Financing Statement to compel the secretary of state to demand it. I wanted it published in order to settle so I sent it with a cover the second time. And you see the third time it was published. I understand where you are coming from. I am showing you something interesting about the Colorado Republic and use of the Great Seal. If you proclaim to be a state national then I suppose you have a Great Seal for your state?

http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/images/tj_wits.jpg

Yes, exactly what it appears to be [smiley=cheesy.gif]

David, who is it that has the state seal? Any state seal.

I hear you LB! Now, what was the date of that Great seal of Colorado...let's see...1876!
Oh no the 14th was when? 1868!!! 

Check mate! Want to play again?

Jerry wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 12:15am:

I hear you LB! Now, what was the date of that Great seal of Colorado...let's see...1876! Oh no the 14th was when? 1868!!!  Check mate! Want to play again?

Looks like chess game's over, Jerry. How is it we end up with a state seal, anyway?
Didn't even answer the question. Oh well, night all!

Too, think all this needs to go to the Blather Dump, again, LB?

Jerry wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 12:15am:

I hear you LB! Now, what was the date of that Great seal of Colorado...let's see...1876! Oh no the 14th was when? 1868!!!  Check mate! Want to play again?

You have a different history book. The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 and the Territory of Colorado was ratified by Congress in 1861.

That is the territorial seal there on the financing statement. Ergo the recognition by the SoS that I am a state national by joindering me with the Colorado Republic.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7398/20mlienoriginalreturn.jpg


Like I said Jerry;


I think your problem with me is that you went through a lot of time and trouble trying to become a state national and you only get recognition for being one here on this website. I have recognition from the Colorado secretary of state and I did not even request it.


Regards,

David Merrill.



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How is it we end up with a state seal, anyway?

The Great Seal?

Act as trustee for the republic. This is my publication:

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/630/indexterritoryofcolorad.jpg

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_6744_969.jpg

Interestingly my clerk keeps it in the top drawer because so many people around America order it up for attachments to counterclaims.

http://friends-n-family-research.info/FFR/Merrill_13th_Amendment_hanging_in_clerk's_office.jpg


I enjoy chess. The reason I am bothering to edify you is that there may be more to RAP than you think!

Ok you are living in a pipe dream here. And by law you have to request your status. The Greal seal is for their use not yours.

                                                              Example

The 1845 State Seal
When Texas joined the Union in 1845 the new state constitution retained the seal, changing only the word "Republic" to "State."  [smiley=hmmm.gif] The 1845 constitution declared, "There shall be a seal of the State, which shall be kept by the Governor and used by him officially. The said seal shall be a star of five points, encircled by an olive and live oak branches, and the words 'the State of Texas.'" The 1861, 1866, and 1869 constitutions have similar language, and the current constitution of 1876 only adds that the seal shall be kept "by the secretary of state, and used by him officially under the supervision of the governor."

Seeing that you are blind to what is going on here I will not waste to much time on you. The seal is for (their) use and it does not state any such language stating that you are a state national.

And for your info we here know that the Republic is still here. 

Now where did it say on any of that paper work you posted that you were a state national?  

I get it now. I have learned that the moderators and such here are paid a percentage of book sales.

The secretary of state joindered Donald DREW's articles of incorporation into my financing statement because they had to send it back to him somehow simply because he paid them too. They breached that trust indenture by sending his papers to me instead. But you have to ask yourself, Why send them to me? - Answer: Because I was using the Great Seal of Authority with authority.

You obviously have an internal system of self-recognition going here and you are all bent out of shape that the Colorado secretary of state honored my character as a statesman.



Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S.


Texas and Colorado are two different animals being that Texas became a state prior to 1861 and Colorado was not admitted as a state until 1861.

wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:51am:

You obviously have an internal system of self-recognition going here and you are all bent out of shape that the Colorado secretary of state honored my character as a statesman.

Now I am positive that this guy has not read anything from PAC. He must be on a personal agenda.
Or maybe he is just a disinformation agent sent here to spread disinformation.

A statesman? What governmental position/office does this guy hold?

Filing documents under a system of de facto private/special law to act in a de jure capacity?
Some of these agencies will take money for anything, so it appears. There is a sucker born every minute.

Someone appears to be really lost here. Maybe he is on Quatloos too :)

LeAnne wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 12:13am:

Yes, exactly what it appears to be [smiley=cheesy.gif] David, who is it that has the state seal? Any state seal.

Governments of states have "state seals", not states.

Hey David

I have published my Finance Statement as Notice of Lien for my perfected $20,000.000.00 lien waiver of tort for violation of my rights.

What rights are you talking about? Your rights as a citizen of the United States? Because that is what you are.

Dude you need to get off the MEDS.

I need $350 for the headache you are causing!

wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:51am:

I get it now. I have learned that the moderators and such here are paid a percentage of book sales.

Were I to get 10% of book sales, hmmm, 20 cents.  The rest goes toward the printing materials and machinery, binding, packaging and shipping...this book is not really making a profit as one might think.  However, I could care less to get a portion of percentage of book sales.  We have folks who buy The Red Amendment in bulk and sell it, some even giving it away for those not able to afford.  However, the problem with folks getting something for free is that it generally will lie around and not get looked at.  One will more likely read a book they have paid for.  So, we tend to have them pay something, even at a reduced cost and we take the loss.

Too, most all of us here at PAC donate not only our money, as we can and are able, but our time.  PAC is based upon a sure foundation in law and we have done our due diligence, having researched the materials for ourselves.  Why is it you feel we are upholding these principles so staunchly.

When one comes in spouting their own agenda without having even looked at any of the materials, we have a bit of a problem with it, wouldn't you?  A bit of common sense, please.

Hey LeAnne... Do I smell a ban? Hey, that rhymes :)

Sounds like another idiot, i.e., one that speaks without knowledge.

LB Bork wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 3:37pm:

Hey LeAnne... Do I smell a ban? Hey, that rhymes :) Sounds like another idiot, i.e., one that speaks without knowledge.

Quite right!
[smiley=wink.gif]

Hey where is David? I need some more legal exercises. Hey David if you come back tell me how you are using the (Great Seal) to do what you think you are doing. Are you having trouble finding the answers to our questions? If the United States is a State then that means there are 51 states right. It does have a Great Seal to you know. [smiley=hmmm.gif]

I love to fish!!

OH David where you at.

Here is some UCC fun for you.

Just decided  McLaughlin v CitiMortgage

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9199911945608893685&hl=en&lr=lang_en&as_s

Count Eight, labeled “No Contract,” see Am. Compl. [doc. # 67-1] at 20 ¶ 1, also fails to state a
claim. In that count, Mr. Ade Bey once more invokes the UCC, and also alleges fraudulent
inducement; “unnecessary harassment”; “torture”; “Enticement to Slavery,” in violation of 18
U.S.C. § 1583; and a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242, which punishes the deprivation of rights
under color of law. See id. Most of these allegations are entirely conclusory and merely repeat
claims already discussed and rejected. As for what remains, even if Mr. Ade Bey had alleged
facts to support these fantastical allegations — which he has not done — it is well settled that
neither 18 U.S.C. § 242 nor § 1583, both of which are criminal statutes, provide a private right of
action. See Dugar v. Coughlin, 613 F. Supp. 849, 852 n.1 (S.D.N.Y. 1985); Risley v. Hawk, 918

The “Redemptionist” theory seems to explain Mr. Ade Bey’s relationship to the all-capital letter
“RAYMOND MCLAUGHLIN.” As the Third Circuit has explained:


[T]he “Redemptionist” theory . . . propounds that a person has a split personality: a real
person and a fictional person called the “strawman.” The “strawman” purportedly came
into being when the United States went off the gold standard in 1933, and, instead,
pledged the strawman of its citizens as collateral for the country’s national debt.
Redemptionists claim that government has power only over the strawman and not over
the live person, who remains free. Individuals can free themselves by filing UCC
financing statements, thereby acquiring an interest in their strawman. . . . Adherents of
this scheme also advocate that [individuals] copyright their names to justify filing liens
against officials using their names in public records such as indictments or court papers.

I've seen variations of "Redemption" , "Strawman", "UCC", "Admiralty", etc. arguments & for longer than that they've been shot down, but they're still being promoted & what's worse, people looking for that "silver bullet" are still buying.

I went down that rabbit trail. Found out about the strawman theory and other things and quickly decided this was another disinformation scheme. May God open their eyes to the truth.