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[quote author=625F5E515C54300 link=1275069057/16#16 date=1275245283]WE are exploring answers . at least some of us are. we have our minds made up to the path we are taking. So what can be gained by trying to belittle anothers educated point of view? I would say that educated here is the misnomer. for in our education system they have not taught civics in many many years. Civics was the training in school to teach people how to act and govern in a Republic. And as I see the govenments deletion has worked well. for most consider our country a democracy.  by the very definition they are worlds apart. but simply stated Democracy is mob rule and republic is people governed by laws . which means that if i Jonny hate mark i cant use 51% of the people to kill him. for in his safety are the laws that this country has made to safeguard all liberties . But if a people are taught that truly this is a democracy or even a Democratic Republic then the 51% are the laws. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen you spoke the truth. the De-facto and De-jure are separate like oil and water. And i thank God for that reason. but when you only understand that you are the bottom of the chain of the nation you are nothing more than the slaves to that tyranny., for who makes the laws? yout tyrannist. And i say only by re-establishing the Republic will we be able to help ourselves and others to remake what this Government has taken from us. To do that we need to repopulate the de-jure side of this Republic. That can only be done by extracting oneself  from the other side. The illegal immigation for instance is only a feature of this government letting my ,< yes my family into this country under the auspices of Azatlan or reconquestidore  of lands taken from Mexicans. And i am of mexican and indian/and white heritage. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In the very nature of this governments act to supplant our voters with those that will vote for this present administration, is the beast showing its nature. People here are beginning to see their very plans. I believe that our time is short. I believe that we the people must learn our ancient ways to find our future. And yes Stephan we are worlds apart from the very founders who made this country. But you must all see, for to re-establish our heritage we must reclaim our Republic. I have done so I and others in the Restore America plan have made a decision seperate from Tim Turner and the others of the guardians. for they  too  are but fledglings in their search. also we in Idaho and other States have said that this road is good but it shouldnt be built on any one mans dream for we are the people and thru our studies as a group will  we learn our way back. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I stand resolute in this Because i have prayed and found it to be the way. but! when dealing with people you must ask God for help and guidence for only he can help you follow the way. IN closing I have no arguement with any of you but those that make statements without learning the true facts. Bork and i have argued but he brelieves in all his studies that his plan is the way. he is intelligent and i admire his steadfastness. but Bork we can argue all day about cause and effect but at the end of that day only those who practice their beliefs will be shown the true path. So Sir i would approach you with this thought. Lets us agree to dissagree but those whom we lead we are responsible for their welfare. And i believe that only in a true republic may we be able to guide others to salvation. For God is there waiting to help the needy and the meek for as it is said, that these will inherit the earth in the end. Vaya con Dios
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