This is the latest Tim Turner plot...

Ah, this is a third groundless scam in the last year by someone we all love to question... And be it known...

• Qui non libere veritatem pronunciat, proditor est verilatis.
                                  He who does not willingly speak the truth, is a betrayer of the truth.

Tim Turner and his freedom documents have hit an all new low. Look at the latest nonsense from this problem...

• www.republicoftheunitedstates.org Republic of the United States DOT ORG

Is the best the opposition could come up with?  [smiley=hypnotized.gif]

Tim Turner. Need we say more than what has already been said?  [smiley=shrug.gif]

Tim Turner: http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1263534785

Turner Freedom "From Liberty" Docs: http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1294350603

Bureau of Public Records: http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1314976876

Godly Gents of the South: http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1289514713

GuardiansOfTheFreeRepublics.com: http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1265923540

Guardians' Declaration (A Hoot): http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1270405203

Guardians a move to discredit movement: http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1270561879

De Jure Grand Juries: http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1272536462

The People's Awareness Coalition has been around for over ten years doing things the lawful way. All of the sudden this Tim Turner clown comes around and has people doing unlawful things (due to the fact that he has taken every piece of information, good or bad, and mixed it into his bag of goods), which includes threatening the state governments and filing liens on judges (which there is now a law on for doing so which grants criminal penalties), which had gotten people visits from the FBI. The Department of Justice is going to be busy in the near future. There is lack of any proper research done here, just a thievery that is profiting off people and/or pied pipering the unsuspecting into a trap.

Aside the lies he has told that have not come true (of course as they are lies), people should question how this thing is funded to get the exposure that it has received from the truth movement. The rule, nothing happens by accident.

You may see the PAC Eletter that went out in regard to this issue earlier this year by clicking here.

What better way to attract any God fearing "dissidents" than preach everything they may have heard.

Jim Jones, or Tim Turner matters not... Everyone is Drinking the Kool-Aid!

http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/images/tim_turner_cult.gif

Be afraid, be VERY AFRAID!
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The site http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org Republic of the United States DOT ORG

Affidavit of political status, Tim Turner  [smiley=hypnotized.gif]  More stolen goods?

A somewhat skewed history here from republicoftheunitedstates.org at this link:

• http://republicoftheunitedstates.org/node/5

That page is full of BAD information and misguiding patriot mythology. Moreover, they use the convoluted site usavsus.info to send people to further confuse them. The owner of that site was warned years ago about the content being misguiding in many areas. The simple fact is, you cannot post everything out there in the movement as a lot of it may or may not be correct. This is the main reason why PAC does not link any sites. The research that we have done is filtered; moreover, the research is centered and has remedy and not attempting to cover many facets. A disinformation agent uses things to confuse people rather than attempt to teach with on-point subjects. 

Like has been said, Tim Turner and his crew of cohorts have taken information from the movement that appears to have validity but overall is just a pot of confusion in law. The thing that is pushed most is that the United States is a corporation. It always was, so what? These people cite that "In 1871, The United States became a Corporation." So wrong! The District of Columbia passed another act for its municipal purposes, that is all it was. It has nothing to do with the "United States". The other thing is that patriot myth about admiralty law; this is the biggest farce that has been perpetrated out there. The fact is, such law deals with matters of the sea, and not the land. Private law governs the land. Both law forms contain equity so they appear to possibly be the same but are as different as night and day.

I am not going to go over every little detail, as I would be repeating myself (as most everything that is wrong with these group of dissidents has been debunked within PAC writings and also in this forum ). There is no way that Tim Turner can garner so much support and attention without being funded by someone aside himself.

Hey, the main kicker? Absolutely no mention of the 14th Amendment!

This is a BIG RED FLAG! Pun intended.

Also, it should be know that the modus operandi is the same of that as Eric Madsen's Team Law, which I refer to as Team Flaw. The Republic of the United States DOT org site timeline ignores the 14th Amendment just like Team Flaw does. Now, this is either an off-shoot of Team Law (which I have been suspect of for some time now),* or it shows that Turner has just stolen the information. Either way both are wrong and appear to be sting operations.

Again, Be afraid, be VERY AFRAID!

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• * There was a group in Phoenix in the 90's that one Shawn Talbot Rice was a member of. At that time there were around 300 active members. Somehow Rice commandeered the group and somehow doubled the member list. Sometime later, Eric Madsen got involved and the office of the group got raided by the FBI about a month after Madsen's appearance. Also it should be noted that Shawn Talbot Rice was recently indicted for illegal activities in Nevada that involved patriot scam type issues. Interestingly enough, in Phoenix he was not a Rabbi, that came later for some odd reason. Rice was also involved with the Little Shell Pembina Band of North America sovereign citizen scam too, which eventually went defunct. more here... All in all, these activities of Rice are somewhat suspicious, especially when I knew him from the mid 90's he admitted he was exMilitary.
  
  NOTE: Do not think the reference to the ADL link portrays them as good guys. It isi surly odd they seem really interested in "sovereigns" though... Why would these people be so interested in what people are doing in such respect? The ADL had been exposed for criminal activities itself. Pot calling the kettle black, it so appears.

This page is a conglomeration of patriot issues that play on the emotions of people...

What a great Pied Piper tool to suck people in.

• Restored America History: http://republicoftheunitedstates.org/node/4
  
  The plan is a bold achievable strategy for behind-the-scenes peaceful reconstruction of the de jure institutions of government without controversy, violence or civil war.  After a national vote and approval by the body of Republic Assemblies, the plan is now in the implementation phase to accomplish the following:
  
  1) Restore and reinhabit the de jure institutions of lawful government. 2) End the foreclosure nightmare (for borrowing against one’s own credit). 3) End tax prosecutions for resisting the transfer of private wealth to such as I.R.S. (former Puerto Rico Bureau of Taxation). 4) End street assaults against the sovereign People for failing to exhibit a State-issued confession of subject-class citizenship. 5) End all prosecutions which lack an injured party. 6) End admiralty prosecutions for kidnapping and other heinous crimes against mankind as “commercial crimes” against the corporate State under a contrived corporate color-of-law venue. 7) End the use of covert contracts such as Form 1040, car registrations, birth certificate applications, and bank signature cards which confess the signer to be a legal fiction subject of the United States Federal Corporation that has waved his/her rights in favor of state-issued privileges. 8) End the use of deeds which classify the People as “tenants” on their own land, thereby transferring control to incorporated County registrars and tax assessors. 9) End the perversion of marriage into a commercial system of state-issued privileges through the so-called “marriage license” whereby incorporated “courts” presume the “right” to trespass on families and kidnap children. 10) End the hijacking of automobile ownership through DMV registrations which covertly exchange the divine rights of travel and ownership for the state-issued “privileges” of “driving” and “title.” 11) In place of all of the above, substitute sovereign identification, diplomatic immunity and sovereign passports to facilitate safe passage throughout the world free from corporate State molestation and terror. 12) Restore the People’s money and wealth from the banking institutions, war profiteers, and international loan sharks. 13) Instantly vest all mortgages, auto loans and personal business loans “issued” by members of the Fed.  The state shall hold no paper on, or debts against, the sovereign People, directly or through its agencies and licensed banking institutions. 14) Instantly end all non-consensual and unlawful taxation including all taxes on the sacred rights of labor and privacy. 15) Empower and inspire the sovereign People to righteousness through such renewed abundance. 16) Issue orders to the military and police powers to enforce the Peoples’ divine rights of birth. 17) End the perverse act of requiring the People to pray to “courts” as is now required under corporate rules and traditions. 18) Restore the de jure judicial institutions including the district court of the United States and the one supreme Court. 19) Quietly mirror the strategies of 1933 thereby using their (our) institutions, military and public officials to undo eighty years of subterfuge without provoking alarm, controversy or armed conflict. 20) Forgive all corporate actors who repent for their State-sponsored crimes against mankind.  Remove the recidivists from office.
  
  Do all of the above, and more, peacefully, discreetly, quietly and honorably, behind the scenes, without public proclamations or provocative actions against a general public that is mostly unaware of the hijacking of their free de jure American republics, and their hapless media.

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First off, Thomas Jefferson stated that people get the government they deserve. So, all those created problems are caused by the government? Really now?!? And "...peaceful reconstruction of the de jure institutions of government without controversy..." What were those threatening letters that were sent out to the states by Turner and others that brought the FBI in on investigation of all actors? Moreover, again Turner had/has people filing liens on judges which is against the law. That is behind the scenes and peaceful?!? You have got to be joking!
I wonder how many of the state "Ambassadors" are running around using their Social Security Numbers  [smiley=hmmm.gif]

Again, Be afraid, be VERY AFRAID!

Here is the document to become part of the Turner crew that includes your phone number.
This way the Feds (FBI) can call you directly after your indictment.

• http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/documents/Republic_OnBoarding_Package-10-21-10-FaxTo-9494192623.pdf

Aside the above stated, there are many definitions within that document that are skewed in relation to law. Aside that, it appears that they think the Declaration of Independence formed the Republic. You have got to be kidding!?!

It seems that these people forget that there is a governmental system in place that is recognized by other nations around the world. Just because a few people claim Tim Turner (or he himself) is "President" does not make it so. That is not the way it works. If I might add, are they not saying that the corporation entitled the United States is bad? What does Turner think he is "president" of? In other words, the term president means the head of a corporation. Again, the United States of America was always a corporation and it is still operating under its original authority via the Constitution and its numerous amendments, according to Tim Turner, that is. In other words, why is it de facto?

So who is this imposter, Tim Turner, if there is no clear explanation of why the government is de facto?
The thing that is a real hoot is what appears to be the redefining of what "indigenous" is.  [smiley=idiot.gif]

And now for the big contradiction, they live in "settlements"!?!

• n. set·tle·ment. a. Establishment, as of people in a new region. b. A newly colonized region.

They are indigenous but they are in settlements? In further attempting to understand... So, these people are of a "de jure government" but they are living in areas that are being colonized? Interesting concept because it is a contradiction. Where are the guys in white suits when you need them to put these people in straightjackets? Again, so many flaws (intentional, I would say) in this mess I care not to go over all of them.

This noted nonsense may be just as bad, if not worse, than this from the most recent past:

• Guardians' Declaration (A Hoot): http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1270405203

People better not get involved is all I have to say.

By the way, it is asked that people terminate being connected in first farce to participate in this farce.

• http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/documents/RAPResignation.pdf

I wonder if a copy goes to the Federal Government so it may eliminate pending prosecution on the actors? [smiley=rolleyes.gif]
Sorry, too late... That just is not going to happen.

Once again, be afraid, be VERY AFRAID!

Here is a snippet from one of Tim's victims. It speaks for itself:

Waiting for a Hague Get Out of Jail Free Card!

The fellow is in prison for filing liens of government officials.

More interesting reading here:

http://archive.mail-list.com/paycheck-piracy/message/20101130.064351.1139ff96.en.html

http://archive.mail-list.com/paycheck-piracy/message/20101130.233317.70da1c09.en.html

http://archive.mail-list.com/paycheck-piracy/message/20101204.223503.1974edc6.en.html

LB Bork wrote on Dec 8th, 2010 at 12:00pm:

Here is the document to become part of the Turner crew that includes your phone number. This way the Feds (FBI) can call you directly after your indictment. http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/documents/Republic_OnBoarding_Package-10-21-10-FaxTo-9494192623.pdf Aside the above stated, there are many definitions within that document that are skewed in relation to law. Aside that, it appears that they think the Declaration of Independence formed the Republic. You have got to be kidding!?! Once again, be afraid, be VERY AFRAID!

I think that basically Tim turned his Information/Intelligence mill for a stay of execution on contempt of court...

First Tim was joindered to Jack MIZELL's contempt of court and then they held a telephone conference about arresting anybody - specifically Sam DAVIS - who would sign a reassignment of the lien. A few weeks after threatening the State Governors Tim disappeared for three weeks, at a critical time - under "military protective custody" - allegedly under the guard of more-patriotic-than-to-OBAMA soldiers after the international bankers and pentagon ordered six assassins kill him. [ My opinion is the FBI picked him up and he was working out a deal to grow and feed the member list to his captors in return for the spoof position of President of the United States and a resemblance of freedom out on bond. (Much like Paul's running to the welfare state of Rome come to think of it! ] But here's the thing, one can easily report to people without disclosing his location by simply emailing the MP3 or WMX file to somebody else before publishing it. Tim could have told RAP/RuSA members he survived the attack and everything would still go forward.

I think it may have been about that time that the incredible stories of metric tons of gold and 81 supporting nations began to be milled. Just the same, I am fairly convinced that Tim originally had no involvement directly in lying or only did so, at first, out of desparation to get momentum in his newly formed nation and congress. And it has worked.


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Aside that, it appears that they think the Declaration of Independence formed the Republic. You have got to be kidding!?!

It looks to me that rather than your monologue rant, you began grasping for company... That worked too... Here I am.

Several court cases where the judge is confronted with the Constitution, he has explained and this is supported in the appelate court opinions, that the Defendant is not a party to that contract. The party to the contract is We the People while the Constitution itself was ratified by the thirteen compact States. This means that the Quiet Title (that remained not so quiet with King George III) upon which the Preamble Union of People stand is indeed signed by a party of 54, then 55 (in December - Matthew THORNTON)

Garry WILLS writes of this in his Introduction - Inventing America; Jefferson's Declaration of Independence.
Call it LINCOLN's agenda if you wish but that is how the math works when you subtract Fourscore and Seven Years from the time of the Gettysberg Address - 1776, not 1787.

Back to Matthew THORNTON, he returned to Philidelphia in December and dearly wanted to sign too. The Vote allowed for him to be the last wet-ink signor, opening the door to some twelve after him, me being the twelfth I hear:

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Enjoy!
David Merrill.

David Merrill  [smiley=hmmm.gif]

You mean this David Merrill!?!

• http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1276660591/7#7

David M., I guess you lost me. You say "Turner's new nation"

This is what they say: "Restore and reinhabit the de jure institutions of lawful government."

My point was, they are inventing new terms and/or contradicting themselves. This serves as them being loony and/or serves as prima facie evidence of what you suspect as Tim "Turn the Facts" Turner as turning over (to the dark side). Nonetheless, he has taken every bit of information out there and mixed it up to make a convoluted pile of crap...

As far as the start date of the Republic, there is no doubt "the enterprise" started in 1776 (see the Illuminati formation on May 1, 1776, World Commie Day), but in law the Articles of Confederation marked the birth of the federal republic under the principles of Vattel. For the record, I only see the 14th Amendment as a baby-step out of this mess for individual people, and for a remedy for state sovereignty. Accordingly, I am not a "fan" of the Constitution by any means. The People's Awareness Coalition believes that the only way this thing can be fixed is by education of the people in America, and the world (as our safety warrants that). It is not going to be done by a bunch of overzealous whack-jobs that do not even know the first thing about law who are following someone of the same ilk. 

A "sovereign individual" posted on Facebook today:

[Name withheld] will be getting a new I.D. and relinquishing his Drivers license,
and phony U.S.A. Citizenship status shortly...

bureauofrepublicrecords.org/Pages/application_id_dbv.php

Republic of the united States of America ~ Bureau of Public Records bureauofrepublicrecords.org

The American National Identification Warrant, Republic (State) Citizen Identification Warrant and Republic (State) Travel Warrant are the only government credentials OFFICIALLY recognized, authorized and issued by the Republic for the united States of America de jure government.

Brother B wrote on Dec 9th, 2010 at 2:45pm:

A "sovereign individual" posted on Facebook today:

First off, what an annoying website...

Anyway, the guy gets an ID before he becomes a "sovereign"? Sounds like what Michael Badnarik attempted to do with me, he thought he could get a State National ID without walking the talk (correction of status). People think this whole thing is just that easy. But of course they do, none of them know the law.

And "Travel Warrant"? LOL... Cannot wait to hear this one, because even I cannot decipher what this is.
And "American National" hmmm... more useless positions which goes along with these people.
And "In God We Trust" (their motto) Was not seen on the money until after the "takeover".

This serves as prima facie evidence that maybe they are possibly them, i.e., agent provocateurs.
Or possibly there has been no research done. Which is it? 

Further, aside that ridicules nonsense, this site is full of more misplaced ideas of law, which tells me again that these people have no idea what they are doing and are heading for trouble. This must be a setup as people cannot be this stupid, or can they? Moreover, they are working with The American's Bulletin; I stopped working with Robert Kelly several months after meeting up with him. He is the one responsible for spreading that Redemption garbage around. I still get mail from people that inquire about it (mostly people in prison), which wastes my time... Thanks, Kelly! The government loves this confusion as it makes it money. I myself am annoyed by the whole thing for reasons aforementioned.

Maybe this is Robert Kelly's money making venture endorsed by the President--whatever--Tim Turner.
He has done numerous DUMB things in the past. Everyone get on the PATRIOTARD bandwagon!

This is unbelievable, this whole mess. But anything for money....
I might add, these (ugly) IDs cost three times as much as State Nationals do to issue to our people.
 

LB,

I am afraid the sheeple are indeed stupid enough to fall for this madness. There are two Tim Turner followers posting this stuff on Facebook and then other sheeple repost it because it sounds cool. I've asked them to post the countries that recognized this so-called republic of the united States of America; I am still waiting.

Jerry wrote on Dec 9th, 2010 at 12:29pm:

David Merrill  [smiley=hmmm.gif] You mean this David Merrill!?! http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1276660591/7#7

Thanks for the reminder Jerry!

There is little more fun than Tim-bashing LB. What was really sad is watching a victim of all that patriot mythology and more, run off to the federal penitentiary for a bogus lien on an IRS agent.

David, you, like other island makers, have allowed Tim Turner to exist by not joining with the Coalition. By your statements in regard to the 14th Amendment (deleted so as not to cause you embarrassment) show that you do not understand what we are all about. Attitudes like yours will allow this system to continue another 145 years (in theory, that is). Like I have stated many times before, the 14th came before the 16th.

So you say the 14th Amendment was not ratified or does not matter? What's all this then?  [smiley=smack.gif]

• The 14th Amendment Use and Analysis : http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt14toc_user.html
  
  [smiley=what.gif] That is a lot of crap!

• UNITED STATES v. CRUIKSHANK, 92 U.S. 542 (1875). The citizen cannot complain, because he has voluntarily submitted himself to such a form of government.... he owes allegiance to the two departments (i.e. the 14th Amendment's dual citizenship), so to speak, and within their respective spheres must pay the penalties.
  
  [smiley=hmmm.gif] What penalties?

• NORDYKE v. KING,  563 F. 3d 439 - Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit (2009). This necessary “right of the people” existed before the Second Amendment as “one of the fundamental rights of Englishmen.” Heller identified several reasons why the militia was considered “necessary to the security of a free state.” First, “it is useful in repelling invasions and suppressing insurrections. Second, it renders large standing armies unnecessary... Third, when the able-bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.” In addition to these civic purposes, Heller characterized the right to keep and bear arms as a corollary to the individual right of self-defense. (“[T]he inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right.”). Thus the right contains both a political component—it is a means to protect the public from tyranny—and a personal component—it is a means to protect the individual from threats to life or limb.
  
  We must trace this right, as thus described, through our history from the Founding...
  Until the enactment of the Fourteenth Amendment.
  
  [smiley=noway.gif] What did that say!

Brother B wrote on Dec 9th, 2010 at 3:23pm:

LB, I am afraid the sheeple are indeed stupid enough to fall for this madness. There are two Tim Turner followers posting this stuff on Facebook and then other sheeple repost it because it sounds cool. I've asked them to post the countries that recognized this so-called republic of the united States of America; I am still waiting.

The Coalition needs more foot soldiers on board to combat this insanity.

I just got a call from John Stadtmiller and he is freaking out because RJ Hender is promoting Turner. The nightmare that started with Sam Kennedy just will not go away. This will continue to happen as long as people are not working together and listen to people that are all over the board (most liars and thieves).

Also, talked with one of the main SANE movement people who is with Oath Keepers and other groups that has affirmed that most of the other groups categorize Turner as a nut case. This is good.

A handy rule of thumb, anyone that wears his "Christianity" on his sleeve, well... Just WATCH OUT!

Hey, got some fan mail from someone that thinks the "Republic" is now fully functioning. Interesting, as I am thinking that Obama is still in the White House, not Tim Turner. Not to mention that the Constitution seems to appear to be the same as it has been for awhile now. These people do not understand the issues, so it appears. [td]

QUOTE: Tell your lack of facts on the current "Fully Functioning Republic" to no else I know as we may hold you liable for the loss of freedom you will cause by your speculation and untruths. My State has had Rivers and property handed over to the United Nations. You better unite at all levels that have any fact and care with enough people to put up a unified front for us all, or you will help lose it all for everyone! Please, MAJOR in the Majors and cut out the back stabbing bottom line we are all men and women on this troubled land. We need your sincere help now! Tim or not use your media wisely sirs. We can fight after over who is chief fall guy if and when we have a land left to work on. Feel free to contact me if you wish to be a real benefit to our fellow citizens and not this snipe action which is detrimental to all. ~Michael

[/td] [td]      http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/images/forest_gump.jpg [/td]So, let me get this straight: Desperate times call for desperate measures, like listening to a guy who lies and has whacked-out ideas that are not grounded in proper foundation of law. Is that correct?

Or, as Forest would say, "Stupid is as stupid does."

And why would I join these idgits when the Coalition has been doing it right for over ten years now?
LOL... Sorry, do not want to be an "Ambassador of a State" as there is no such thing.
Also, nor do I want a "Warrant Card" to identify myself.

SELF-IMPORTANT TITLES: The Ultimate Patriotard Bait.

I am thinking that WARRANT CARD means there is a warrant for my arrest out, better check it officer. LOL

Why run with turkeys when you can fly with eagles? State Nationals Society

I almost fell for Tim's BS once because it SOUNDED good. But LB is right...there must be a remedy founded in law, not speculation. And LB is also right that there must be local foot soldiers to help those around them learn the truth and stay away from the misinformants..

For a limited time only, you can become a diplomat of one of the several state republics (even though such diplomats never existed). Get your President Tim Turner "State" Diplomat Kit while supplies last! $499.95

Visit the page on Island Makers for more information:

• http://www.islandmakers.us/turner

http://www.islandmakers.us/images/content/tim_turner_dipkit.jpg

Post on Godlike to bump it. There is no need to be a member.

• http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1288719/pg1

From our "good friends" at the Southern Poverty Law Center

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James Timothy Turner, 54
Skipperville, Ala.
www.americacanbefree.com (defunct, on his third scam in the last year [lb note])

Tim Turner burst onto the redemption scene three years ago, offering a series of very popular seminars that promise attendees that they can pay off their mortgage, credit card debt, and income tax bills using the "power of negative averments." He also claims to have cured leukemia in five days. Turner's programs teach his clients to file dozens of meaningless court documents, and when the opposing parties don't respond accordingly, to file absurdly large retaliatory property liens against them. For example, in one foreclosure case in which Turner was not even a party, he filed nine fraudulent liens totaling more than $158 billion against the bank, its attorneys, the court trustee, and miscellaneous other participants. While Turner told his followers that he won the case, he was actually sanctioned $22,500 by the court. Most recently, Turner has taken over the leadership of the Guardians of the Free Republics, a group that earlier this year fruitlessly demanded that all 50 governors step down and now claims to have established common-law courts in all 50 states. According to his followers, Turner has canceled his seminar schedule and was in hiding at press time. In the past, Turner has worked as both a commercial fisherman and a FEMA employee.

Conference Call Exposing Tim Turner: JAIL?

This is a conference call between one person who was involved with
Tim Turner's original funding, and one of Tim Turner's current
leadership members. Pretty interesting information, and Tim Turner
is going to jail. Not only that, all others involved with him. Move
the player up to the 27:20 mark when the call starts.

https://www.freeconferencing.com/playback_ow.html?cn=94-43-28-63&e=1296450000000&cid=conferences/85-17-65-679-17-65-67-17-65-6777-17-65-677552-17-65-6771-17-65-67-17-65-67-17-65-67.mp3

http://archive.mail-list.com/paycheck-piracy/message/20101219.065831.05bd324f.en.html

Yet another site promoting this tripe: http://www.youhavetheright.com/how

As I wrote ten years ago in The Red Amendment, below is evidence that the de facto governments of the states in the Union are wearing two hats (what I dubbed the two hat principle).

Chapter 114: Department of Justice. Article 1 - Attorney General § 114-1.1.  Common-law powers. The General Assembly reaffirms that the Attorney General has had and continues to be vested with those powers of the Attorney General that existed at the common law, that are not repugnant to or inconsistent with the Constitution or laws of North Carolina.

Key words : That EXISTED at the common law"

This illustrates that the common law and its due process was done away with, or altered. People that are acting as 14th Amendment citizens (collecting Social Security, etc.) cannot effectively access this pure law form. 

People like even John Ainsworth fail to understand that the law for us still exists and there cannot be two governments running side-by-side. The de facto is obligated to uphold the de jure (See Section 3 of the 14th Amendment). Now, I am not saying that this is good and that we do not need to get our lawful governments back, but the fact remains it has to be done through education and the will of the people of the republics. 

More here on the will of the people...

A warning that is going around...

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Dear Sir or Madam,

I am writing to inform you of a potential threat to your state and her people. There is a movement known as "The Republic for the united States of America" led by a man who has appointed himself president, who goes by the name of James Timothy Turner of Dothan, Alabama.

This group is attempting to represent every state in the union through the formation of pseudo replacement legislatures in each state, and claim that they have "accomplished" this in at least 41 states.

Mr. Turner claims to be appointed by God to lead the nation back to common law and the people. His followers in their desperation have blindly followed him on his word believing him to actually BE a peaceful man of God.

The gullible people that follow Turner have signed documents which were created during a so-called "Continental Congress" session that was held in Utah while these people were locked in a warehouse with no heat or sanitary facilities under armed guard for approximately 16 hours in November, 2010.     -    None were truly aware of what those documents say or contain, because the documents were carefully worded so as to deceive.

Since that time others more versed in Constitutional law, who possessed skills in written language have read the documents and shared the atrocious frauds contained in them with those of us who are attempting to expose Tim Turner.

There are two documents, The Declaration of Sovereign Intent   -   and a Claim, which Mr. Turner intends to file in the World Court; both claim control and possession of all of the United States, north to south, sea to sea, and state that it is owned by his "New Government".

The "Claim" document lays out that all natural resources, mineral rights, water ways, military installations, lands both public and private, HARRP and much more is supposedly owned and controlled by Turner's totalitarian central government and himself.

The document claims that only members of Turner's National Government will be allowed to vote, own property or to receive remuneration for their labors.  This document further states the enforcement arm of his government will be a body of 'National Rangers' who will have supreme jurisdiction over all existing law enforcement entities in the entire country.

A Mr. Nathan Noel Peachey who has been appointed by Turner as the so-called "Chief Justice" of the so-called "One supreme court", and this man may be contacting you by letter soon to inform you that you are to co-operate with them, that you are to accept and allow the bogus identification cards that they have issued, and you are to answer to the authority of their enforcement arm, "the Rangers".

He will most likely "introduce" you to the so-called true government etc. but that is not the whole intention. He intends to contact all law enforcement agencies in your state and the Governor of your state. Mr. Peachy said on a national call tonight that he intends to "contact the governors first and then law enforcement".

They have been selling these Identification cards through a web site ( http://www.bureauofrepublicrecords.org/index.html ) a screen shot of ID's is attached to this email.

Some have already been arrested for attempting to use these cards.

The FBI has been consulted in Illinois, Kansas and Georgia and has been given information regarding this group. Turner claims to have the support of the FBI, CIA and the Pentagon. He further claims that the federal government is "ready to turn over the reins of government to him".  Mr. Turner makes the claim that this to be a "peaceful" restoration of our de jure Republic however we note that he is surrounded by armed guards at all times.

They have organized many militia groups around the country and have the oft-stated intent to "take over the U.S Government".

This organization was originally known as The Restore America Plan before it became The
Republic for the united States of America. Mr. Turner has traveled the country fleecing money from innocent people convincing them that the U.S. Government is collapsing and if they do not follow him they will be rounded up and placed in internment camps operated by FEMA.

Mr. Turner and his appointed Vice President are in fact both affiliated with FEMA. That is in fact where they met. Much more is known about these men but is too massive to include in this letter. I have attached a photo of the Identification cards they have been selling at $125.00 each.

There are groups in every state doing what they can to expose this man and his contingent for what they are but the group is becoming desperate as they are blocked from obtaining cooperation from the remaining ten states they have not been able to "get on board" with them.

Now people are being threatened that if they do not sign, their state will be taken anyway.  Mr. Turner must have signatures from all 50 states to file his paper work at The Hague. It is believed he is in league with a much more dangerous international entity. Make no mistake, despite the claims they will make they are not what they appear to be,  even though their innocent followers continue to drink the Kool-Aid and are not aware of Mr. Turner's true nature.

This is a well organized group and has infiltrated most of the 50 states. Many people having realized the true intentions of this group have severed all ties with them and sent letters to that effect.

Please do not disregard this matter. Feel free to contact me if you have further questions. I am more than willing to be of assistance in any way that I can.

Teri Lynn Hinkle
478-374-4132
Georgia

This was the point of the email I got informing the "Turner" governors of each state to contact local law enforcement. I must have deleted the email LB, so I can't forward it to you like I wanted. It will come crashing down soon it sounds like.

[smiley=getaway.gif] Boy if that ain't a agent for uncle sam I don't know what is.
Or he is so stupid he doesn't even realize what the he(( he is doing.

Vote
(A) He does know.
(B) He has no clue.

I posted the above email from Teri on my Facebook page and this is a message I received from a "sovereign citizen" of this so-called...blah, blah, blah, of America that Tim Turner has going:

"I don't believe any of this, as I have heard it all before. I believe President Turner to be a man of God and a man of his word. If anyone doubts this I only wish you could hear the way he prays for us all. I have heard him on many occasions,praying for us and our country. That being said,he is still just a man and will be the first to say this is not about him.Never put all your trust in any man.Only God can be trusted, completely. Thank you for posting the warning. Everybody concerned only need do their homework, I did. I found everything so far to be true and lawful. Peace to you!"

Can you believe this madness? We need to get our act together--sooner rather than later!

His sales pitch is getting better. Some of this and that from the movement. Someone must have told him to push the 14th Amendment more... But still is on the nonsensical Act of 1871. This happens when you do not do your own research. All and all just a cut and paste jocky who has stolen ideas from everywhere and making money off it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB36UVnaNFQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB36UVnaNFQ

The below man (Steven Hance) has a good idea on where Tim "The Thief" Turner is wrong. Note that he went to prison for doing similar unlawful things. Turner has stolen his "President" concept from Team Law (Team Flaw).

Oh, and in regard to North Carolina being reestablished, I really do not think so... Plebiscite on that?

From: Steven Hance <sch704@yahoo.com>
To: WethePeople
Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 7:52:53 PM
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Become Part Of Restore America?

I used to consider Tim Turner a good friend. We were confederates with a dozen other Christian men committed to restoring the republic. All of us had standing invitations to attend any of his seminars as his guest. We had numerous private meetings with him.

All that to say this: NONE of those dozen men, including me, will now have anything to do with Tim unless he repents of his current insanity. I attended a meeting a few months ago with Tim and a few of those men in a last ditch effort to get to the bottom of what Tim was up to. Of primary concern to me was to find out exactly how he intends to "restore" the constitutional republic, which was created by 13 independent and autonomous republics, without the advice and consent of those republics. Since none of those original republics have been restored, except for North-Carolina where I live, how is it possible to restore the gov't at the national level? Even if the "law of necessity" be the rationale, as he says, where is the escape plan from this "provisional" gov't. What is the exit strategy? How do you convince a handful of men to relinquish so much power once it is obtained? How do you force the submission of a "top down" gov't to a "bottom up" republic? The obvious answer is: the military. Would that be the same military that was just allegedly used to put the new "provisional" gov't in power?

C'mon, we're all smarter than that. At least I hope we are, though frankly I wonder. It is my sad opinion that Tim is being influenced, possibly controlled by sinister forces. I know he is not the same man that I used to know. He's become irrational, intractable and unresponsive to probative questions. Besides, formation of a provisional gov't has NEVER in history resulted in the restoration of anything. It has always been the precursor to a completely new gov't structure, the destruction of the previous gov't. Indeed it probably cannot be otherwise.

I was a last minute participant in an attempt to restore a constitutional republic in Montana state back in '96. We all went to prison---well, most of us did. Only those who cooperated with the feds escaped. However, I now know what the fatal flaw was in all that LeRoy and the men of Justus township did. They formed a new gov't on the soil of an existing government's jurisdiction. Justus township was created under the auspices of the constitutional republic of Montana state, Garfield county!! In case you missed the significance of that, they claimed to berestoring a legitimate government, pursuant to the constitution of Montana. Had they gone to the other inhabitants of the pre-existing township where they lived, and got a referendum to alter the township's status, its name, etc., there would have been no flaw. What they did made them insurrectionists because what they did was unlawful.

What Tim Turner is doing is even more unlawful than that. He is abrogating every law possible. There is no foundation anywhere for what he is doing. His claim is that the Declaration of Independence represents his authority; but what he fails to understand is that what followed the signing of the Declaration was a long, expensive and bloodywar! In the end, the Tories won anyway.

My main concern is that Tim is being used to set up the next major assault on the patriot community. I'm afraid it will end with bloodshed and lots of people going to prison for a very long time.

That's the way I see it.

Steven Charles Hance

They formed a new gov't on the soil of an existing government's jurisdiction. Justus township was created under the auspices of the constitutional republic of Montana state, Garfield county!! In case you missed the significance of that, they claimed to berestoring a legitimate government, pursuant to the constitution of Montana

And did not change their nationality back to that government!!
Those unruly citizens are going to get in trouble for treason I see.

I understand that John Stadtmiller banned the Tim Turner Project from the Republic Broadcast Network.

Are there any more comments or any information on this?

Also, I have heard that Turner is telling people to sell their property and give him the money. Information on this?

Don't know about asking people to sell their property for $ but do know for sure
that John Stadtmiller banned the Tim Turner project from the network.

wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 12:34pm:

Don't know about asking people to sell their property for $ but do know for sure that John Stadtmiller banned the Tim Turner project from the network.

I had heard that. Want to get us some evidence via phone conferences, writings or Turner, etc. to that effect?

See how this works?

1) Fill-out ridiculous Sovereign papers, get on a list to show you do not know what the hell you are doing and get persecuted in the future for any violations of law they find against you; 2) Give all your property and/or money to Tim Turner which leaves you and your posterity broke and destitute. Totally unbelievable!!!

The 14th year old girl on the new True Grit movie knew more law than any of these people  [smiley=grin.gif]

One could say that the people who listen to Turner are getting bit by a rattlesnake as she did though.

Brother B wrote on Jan 17th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

I posted the above email from Teri on my Facebook page and this is a message I received from a "sovereign citizen" of this so-called...blah, blah, blah, of America that Tim Turner has going: "I don't believe any of this, as I have heard it all before. I believe President Turner to be a man of God and a man of his word. If anyone doubts this I only wish you could hear the way he prays for us all. I have heard him on many occasions,praying for us and our country. That being said,he is still just a man and will be the first to say this is not about him.Never put all your trust in any man.Only God can be trusted, completely. Thank you for posting the warning. Everybody concerned only need do their homework, I did. I found everything so far to be true and lawful. Peace to you!" Can you believe this madness? We need to get our act together--sooner rather than later!

Brother B, to act to get people to listen we would have to lie to them. Is that the road to take?

As Turner has lied about everything he has said since day one, and that I understand the law and see he does not by his actions (and he has stolen every idea from researchers, etc. and mixed it into a pot of crap), coupled with him supposedly now asking people to sell their property and give the money to him, it should not be long now until Tim "The Thief" Turner disappears into the sunset leaving all holding the bag of emptiness.

People: Smart enough to be dumb.

This last week, RJ Hender was told that Tim Turner and his people are no longer welcome on the Republic Broadcast Network due to Turner's false promises and getting people prosecuted for his past legal advice.

Members, we ask that you post some comments on this issue.

This is in reference to the post on Page 2 herein,

UPDATE: I called Miss Teri Lynn on Sunday the 23rd and she had sent this out the people who work in goverment as she was concerned about the matters going on with Turner and Company. She verified that her contacts/sources have confirmed that Tim Turner is still with FEMA and is "Out in the field on a mission." She also stated that the other agencies that Turner claims are on board are not. There are many associated with her that have distanced themselves from this. She also stated that the FBI from Kansas stated that people removing themselves may be still be suspect if anything happens. She will be providing updates on this. Her blog on issues is at : http://restoredusa.blogspot.com

From her blog based on some of the information we had talked about this morning:

This week a long awaited report from a government source revealed that Tim Turner is a valued de facto “asset”. His file is highly classified and his status is “on a field mission”. His position is with FEMA in the Crisis Management Division. That is the division responsible for the civilian incarceration camps. It would appear the purpose of the mission is to deliver unto FEMA the Patriots and unto the Bankers, the Country.

More here...

[UPDATE: see edit date] Still checking out this source. The jury is out, way out.

LB Bork wrote on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 9:40am:

This is in reference to the post on Page 2 herein, UPDATE: I called Miss Teri Lynn on Sunday the 23rd and she had sent this out the people who work in goverment as she was concerned about the matters going on with Turner and Company. [UPDATE: see edit date] Still checking out this source. The jury is out, way out.

I hate to say it, but Teri is into something that is even more ridiculous than the Tim Turner nonsense. Posting it at this time is not warranted, but you may want to search it if you feel like wasting your time. A tell tale sign of nutso was in the documents she sent which sported David Wynn Miller and private attorney general methods.

When does the Kool-Aid stop flowing?  [smiley=disappointed.gif]

Wow, Miss Terri has been making the rounds to several websites defaming her once beloved leader.
Must have felt the need to convince us of something we already knew. 

wrote on Jan 26th, 2011 at 10:39pm:

Wow, Miss Terri has been making the rounds to several websites defaming her once beloved leader. Must have felt the need to convince us of something we already knew.

Maybe we are dealing with something more than Kool-Aid here, perhaps. All too strange  [smiley=hmmm.gif]

Big President Tim Turner Kool-Aid doses by this woman, Colleen from www.spirituallightworkers.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NRODxb6zXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NRODxb6zXo

I guess there is some Satanic forces working on this light worker  [smiley=unsure.gif]


"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." -Hosea 6:6

Man my stomach was hurting from laughing! Did she really say that people from the future were helping them?! WOW!!!

David C wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 1:47am:

Man my stomach was hurting from laughing! Did she really say that people from the future were helping them?! WOW!!!

LOL! Yes she did! Tim Turner the current and future president! LOL!

Is there some new drug on the market or what. Hey lady if that crap is true about Tim then why is it not on the news?

Yep, nut job here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJB2Woe5zeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJB2Woe5zeQ

Jerry wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 7:44am:

Yep, nut job here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJB2Woe5zeQ

LMAO! I was laughing through the whole thing! She was even laughing at points.
What was with that? She does not even believe what she is dishing out.

Typical Tim Turner groupie, I suspect. Thanks for posting, I needed a laugh.

On to David Icke and his reptilian nonsense here :
                      http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1296078463

Beam me up, Scotty!  [smiley=lol.gif]

After watching a few videos of Colleen on YouTube, I was astounded at the words coming out of her mouth. 
Out of all the videos that are taking up space on the information hi-way about or this individual,
I picked this one to add for my post.  Listen to what she says about the media and Colleen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLKIBv6tD1Q&NR=1

Wow that Colleen woman is one card shy of a full deck! How can anyone with ANY common sense fall for that trash?! Maybe it's actually a good thing she's in with Turner. It just brings instability to the trash he peddles to unsuspecting people. After watching the video BF posted I can see why she's off kilter. She made a good point about judging and laughing at Colleen though. So I have to repent now.

[smiley=angelic.gif]

You might want to read this amicus curiae I filed a few weeks ago, to get some insight into the RAP/RuSA project.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2773/uscourthouse.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8137/amicuscuriaefiled10thci.pdf


Here's the signature page - which reveals why they filed it.
(Using the Great Seal is a Class 5 Felony if you are not affiliated with State business.)


http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8947/amicuscuriae5.jpg


This rendition has a boatload of links for you to explore if you have some time.

LB Bork wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:

Jerry wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 7:44am: Yep, nut job here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJB2Woe5zeQ LMAO! I was laughing through the whole thing! She was even laughing at points. What was with that? She does not even believe what she is dishing out. Typical Tim Turner groupie, I suspect. Thanks for posting, I needed a laugh.

Many rightly suspect that she is posting these videos to embarrass RAP/RuSA.

If embarrassment is the plan IT'S WORKING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJf90wKlaUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJf90wKlaUw

Brother B wrote on Feb 4th, 2011 at 7:47pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJf90wKlaUw

Ah, the point here? Chief Jury Foreman Ken Cousens  [smiley=bow.gif] 
Is he with Tim Turner? I would say they both get information off the Internet.
That is, if there is Internet in their "Settlements". LOL

This Cousens likes to talk, I mean blather. Great leadership.
Just typical patriot jibber-jabber... Amazing about the parroting that goes on.

More here: http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/34447557

I venture their de jure government meets at Denny's. Grand Slam breakfasts for everyone!

HOW THE CONSTITUTION WAS USURPED BY THE CORPORATION

(note by Panama Legal: These are the basic premises adhered to by the people in the movement and the people in the Sovereign movement. The Government is a Corporation actually functioning as the Federal Government. Thus it does not have to follow the constitution. Also it does not matter if Obama is not a natural born citizen since it is a corporation he is the head of. The corporation gets the permission of the people to reign over them by deceit. This is done by wording in the Birth Certificates, Social Security Cards, driving Licenses, IRS forms, Marriage Licenses and other documents. They always refer to the “person” in all capital letters. This means the name represents a corporate entity. This is how the corporation courts get jurisdiction over you. Their courts do not fly the “reaL” American flag. They use the military or admiralty flag. For a discourse on this try this website: http://www.usavsus.info/

What the theory is goes like this. When you enter a US Courtroom there is a military or admiralty flag flying. The US Military does not have the protection of the constitution, neither does this apply to admiralty laws with ships at sea. When you enter a court room and cross through that little wooden gate they have and go to the area where the plaintiff (prosecutor) and defendant sit along with judge, court reporter, you are entering a “ship” or a foreign country as evidenced by the admiralty or military flag flying thus the constitution has no applicability and you are under equity law not common law. The flaw with their scheme is that there is no full disclosure to the people about any of this. This is brief over simplified synopsis of the scam run by the federal corporation. End of our comment.)

Taken from the ROTUS site... Typical movement nonsense that has been going around for years....
Real deep material. LOL

The point was just to show what these people were up to this last weekend. I was invited, but I was not interested in attending. The lady that introduced this Cousens guy was introduced by former California gubernatorial candidate Chelene Nightingale, a US citizen, who ran for California Governor in the last election. I am sure she has not corrected her status, yet, they gave her the title of "interim" California Governor.

Yep All that info and still clueless to how the people are the ones that are allowing this to go on. They even talk about the 14th and still cannot see the connection. The 14th Amendment for all intents and purposes does not exist. On March 28, 1861 Congress adjourned sine die and never has reconvened de jure. So what if they did adjourn the people are the ones that are keeping this system in place by their own admission to being a citizen thereof. When you tell them to look in the mirror they run. This nation has adults with a child’s mind. Thanks public schools.

Yep this government has stuck the candy out there and the children are taking it at all cost.

LB Bork wrote on Feb 5th, 2011 at 3:57am:

Ah, the point here? Chief Jury Foreman Ken Cousens  [smiley=bow.gif]  This Cousens likes to talk, I mean blather. Great leadership.

If he had one hand tied behind his back he wouldn't be able to blather, I mean talk. LOL! [smiley=lol.gif]

Brother B wrote on Feb 5th, 2011 at 6:15am:

The point was just to show what these people were up to this last weekend. I was invited, but I was not interested in attending. The lady that introduced this Cousens guy was introduced by former California gubernatorial candidate Chelene Nightingale, a US citizen, who ran for California Governor in the last election. I am sure she has not corrected her status, yet, they gave her the title of "interim" California Governor.

See how the self-importance thing works? Cannot be a real governor (even though illegitimate), so she becomes a fake one. All trouble, as Jerry stated. This whole thing is a mess in whole.

Tim Turner is an idiot. How embarrasing using a de jure grand jury reference in the wrong manner.

The guy has no idea what the hell he is doing... He is a jaw flapper REPEATER who is extremly dangerous, Plant or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvuE2uKtRsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvuE2uKtRsI

Where is this fools citizens? [smiley=grin.gif]

Jerry wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 9:39am:

Where is this fools citizens? [smiley=grin.gif]

Oh, they are following him (Turner) and drinking the Kool-Aid. Like I have warned, he does not know the law whatsoever. As the Bible warns, people want a king and this false god is a king to them.

Again, very sad. They will soon find out how sad it is.

It was brought to my attention that this is one of Turner's victims.

• Ronald Hoodenpyle gets jail time for bogus lien on IRS agent's home

Any comments?

Some folks have learned nothing from what happened to the Montana Freemen.

Chief wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 5:22am:

Some folks have learned nothing from what happened to the Montana Freemen.

Those "Freemen" trespassed on a contract that was not theirs... You know, the "free money" thing.

Turner is getting people in trouble by having them put liens on people in the government...
Aside a load of other things that are going on to get people in trouble.

New post to look at and listen to by Brother Gregory ~ Discussing the Wolves

• http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1298317706

The Montana Freemen espoused belief in the doctrine of individual sovereignty and rejected the authority of the federal government of the United States. They conceived their own system of government in "Justus Township", including their own versions of common-law court de jure, banking, and credit.
LeRoy Schweitzer and the Freemen used inter alia Anderson on the Uniform Commercial Code and Bankers Handbook to draw notices of lien against public officials. The liens were then allegedly sold to generate equity in order to fund an effort to make a "firm offer to pay off the national debt." The Freemen claimed that the liens conformed to the Uniform Commercial Code, and that their township's court had an interest in a tort claim for damages incurred by the named public officials for violations of their oaths of office. They viewed support of the corporate credit system as an unconstitutional act which would incrementally "...[deprive] the people of their property until [their] posterity wakes up homeless...".[citation needed], a paraphrased quotation attributed to Thomas Jefferson.

JUST "US" ? Individual Sovereignty? Sounds like what "Freedom Law School" is going for, and all "Patriots".

The problem is, the principle of the republic is that of self-governing people based on the sovereignty being in the whole body of people. Sounds like more self-centered type stuff, which is not faith, hope, and charity.

Again, this self-centered program is all the making of the ones who are in control:

Island Effect. Something that is desired by the New World Order, which may include ideals that would appeal to self-centered individuals that are not interested in unity but only themselves. The effect creates and keeps a small percentage of people who would resist their plan out of the way so they could maintain control of the countries they have subversively taken over. See Sovereign Citizen, and Sovereign Individual

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iVc2qdfoAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iVc2qdfoAc

1300 Signed a document to take over the lawful government?  [smiley=hmmm.gif]
The United States made a corporate government in 1868?  [smiley=hmmm.gif]
Reinhabited the true offices (by playing Mickey Mouse Club)?  [smiley=hmmm.gif]
Not abolishing current government?  [smiley=hmmm.gif]
Government went de facto in the year 1944?  [smiley=hmmm.gif]
United States corporate fiction?  [smiley=hmmm.gif] 

Hmmm.... aside some contradictions, that is different from the information found here: http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/node/5

Which is it?

Which brings (JUST) us back to this:


Chief wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 5:22am:

Some folks have learned nothing from what happened to the Montana Freemen.

The Freemen were filing liens against government officials.

Oh, oh... The DOJ is searching for those groups hiring "Rangers" to deal with the "de factos"...

http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/images/sammie_rangers.jpg
From the data program for NMG site. Search criteria 'ranger credentials our sammie'

They were looking at Our Sammie there, but you know Tim Turner groupies are on board for the same.

Bad US citizens!

Didn't they pass legislation banning the filing of liens against government and judicial officials?
LOL, rangers must be the thug arm of the Turner bunch.

David C wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 10:05pm:

Didn't they pass legislation banning the filing of liens against government and judicial officials? LOL, rangers must be the thug arm of the Turner bunch.

Here is a story on the false liens... False Claims Used to Harass

Ending statement : "False liens," said Hittner, "are a way to get to Article III judges."

What is that suppose to mean? Anyway, here is the false lien law (installed in 2008).

-CITE- 18 USC Sec. 1521

-EXPCITE- TITLE 18 -
    CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, PART I - CRIMES, 
CHAPTER 73 - OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

-HEAD-
    Sec. 1521. Retaliating against a Federal judge (or law enforcement officer) by false claim or slander of title

-STATUTE-
      Whoever files, attempts to file, or conspires to file, in any public record or in any private record which is generally available to the public, any false lien or encumbrance against the real or personal property of an individual described in section 1114, on account of the performance of official duties by that individual, knowing or having reason to know that such lien or encumbrance is false or contains any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned...

-SOURCE-
    (Added Pub. L. 110-177, title II, Sec. 201(a), Jan. 7, 2008, 121 Stat. 2535.)

Funny, 2008 is when Tim Turner showed-up and started pushing people to file the damn things.

As to the "Ranger" search, they are looking at the people pushing that agenda, which includes all the TurnerTards. The Department of Justice visiting PAC is no big deal, as they and other agencies have visited PAC for the past 7 years (that I am aware). Following the law is our game, so again.... there is no concern.

Again, people have to look in the mirror to see where the problem is.

Quote:

The Department of Justice visiting PAC is no big deal, as they and other agencies have visited PAC for the past 7 years (that I am aware). Following the law is our game, so again.... there is no concern.

And I want them to know that I know what they know! That leaves them no where to hide.

I heard that the Republic for the united States of America's Governor of Illinois, Sharon Anzaldi, is planning to impeach President Turner so she can take over. Seems she has been working behind the scene on this for a couple months. 

wrote on Mar 4th, 2011 at 9:37pm:

I heard that the Republic for the united States of America's Governor of Illinois, Sharon Anzaldi, is planning to impeach President Turner so she can take over. Seems she has been working behind the scene on this for a couple months.

Ah, ya.... Whatever  [smiley=yawn.gif]

wrote on Mar 4th, 2011 at 9:37pm:

I heard that the Republic for the united States of America's Governor of Illinois, Sharon Anzaldi, is planning to impeach President Turner so she can take over. Seems she has been working behind the scene on this for a couple months.

Holy bat turds! A TurnerTard has turned on Turner; What a turd turning turner of events.
Join us next week when "governor" Analdi impeaches a real live peach!

Chief wrote on Mar 5th, 2011 at 2:39pm:

Holy bat turds! A TurnerTard has turned on Turner; What a turd turning turner of events. Join us next week when "governor" Analdi impeaches a real live peach!

[smiley=lol.gif] Now that is funny!

Subject: Documentable Proof of Tim Turner Trouble

Hey Carl,

This is what I told you about on the phone regarding Tim Turner helping hide those 2 people from Hawaii who were to be sentenced to jail time.  There's a lot more on it on the blog, but below is the main discussion with some of the documentation.

My blog that has the thread for exposing Turner is
here: http://americanrevolutionfortruth.wordpress.com/tim-turners-troubled-rusa

Terri

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TLGA says: March 5, 2011 at 11:23 am

Thank you Mike for that post. You only missed one piece of evidence. The two fugitives Tim Turner, with the help of several in his inner circle (the principle member who helped has been kicked to the curb now), plucked up out from under the feds in Honolulu the first week in July, and have been hiding in different locations in and around Dothan, Alabama ever since.

These two were both convicted felons and were awaiting sentencing. The charge? "In April of 2009, they pled guilty to operating a fraud scheme in which they used their companies to convince distressed homeowners to relinquish their homes with the premise of improving the victims' financial position. They promised to invest the proceeds of the home sales, but instead the Dimitrions used the victims' money to fund their own lavish lifestyles.

As a result, multiple families in Oahu, Hawaii, lost their homes. The Dimitrions were found guilty and scheduled to be sentenced in the United States District Court in Honolulu, Hawaii, on July 6, 2010, but failed to appear at the sentencing. A federal arrest warrant for failure to appear was then issued for each of them."

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wcc/john-michael-dimitrion

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wcc/julieanne-baldueza-dimitrion

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12776706

http://www.governmentrepohomes.com/blog/foreclosure-homes/economy-facing-foreclosure-crisis

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/fbi-hunts-for-fugitive-married-couple-who-defrauded-oahu-homeowners-reward-offered/123

http://www.governmentrepohomes.com/blog/mortgage/amidst-foreclosures-morality-is-fast-becoming-a-rare-commodity

Some of those in the "inner circle" were not aware of who these two scamsters really are as Tim Turner spun the story that "Poor Aaron" (aka Little Brother, John Michael Dimitrion), was hiding from Bush41 because he knows the exact location of the Ark of the Covenant. As ridiculous as that sounds, why wouldn't it work?  Tim Turner successfully convinced hundreds of people he was sent by God to "save the nation".

The fact remains that while several in the top level are and have been fully aware they were aiding and abetting wanted fugitives, many others have met these two over these months and were clueless.

There are two individuals now in very hot water with the feds in Alabama for their part in hiding the couple and I hope for their sakes they didn't know the truth. The purpose the Dimitrions were "rescued" for hasn't panned out the way it was supposed to, because the scheme to access a massive trust, a trust that did NOT belong to Tim Turner, has failed again and again.

Now we have the claim that the ID Machine and all the money has been stolen. [Bork Comment. LOL]

Gee, were they keeping that machine there in that New Mexico office with stacks of money sitting beside it in little plastic shoe boxes? - While that lie is pretty much irrelevant considering the ID's are of no more use than a Tim Turner decoder ring, there is a much more serious issue. and that is going without being noticed. What about the data base containing all those people's personal and financial information which they forked over when applying for the cards?

I have it on extremely good authority that at least one of those good patriots "in charge" of that data has a rich history of participating in identity theft. I think if I were one of those people who have paid for ID's they haven't ever received, I would be a lot more concerned over the information they still HAVE than the relatively small amount of money I lost.

Whatever the true original goal of TRAP was, it quickly went to hell in a hand-basket the moment Timmy Turner forced his way into the faux-fantasy presidential seat.

It became fraud-based just before the final split with the other guardians and the planning of the Dimitrion "rescue" at a meeting in Virginia which took place in late June of 2010.

But you be the judge.

It begins with a man who was traveling around the country teaching seminars on false information and procedures for people to use to save their homes and other assets,  and ending - for many of those trusting individuals - inside the "Gray Bar Hotel". It continues on with this same man committing several felonies to gain the assistance of two people convicted on mortgage fraud and running from the feds,  and then as Mike pointed out above…"direct Presidential Jural Covenant of Office & Declaration of Sovereign Rights confidential return fax line 949-419-2623″…that turned out to be a fax machine at Kelby Smith's California loan company (reducehousepayment.com), that sells the same type of mortgages / loans that it stands against when someone else does it! :

Email Us: info@reducehousepayment.com or Fax Us: (949) 419-2623

What is it they say in baseball? Oh yeah, "Three Strikes You're Out"!

I will go out on a limb here and predict that the person who will be taking the blame for the missing machine and the missing money will NOT be the two buggers who have been "dipping into the till".

I am a believer in Divine Justice too, and I find it truly divine that for once the fraud-master is being duped himself - It appears to be true that there is "no honor among thieves"!

Something else Mike said above which I support to the letter…"People who seek power for themselves, who try and scare you into following them, and only them, and try to intimidate you from looking outside their group, those who hide behind religion instead of living it, those who ask you for money when they claim to have billions of dollars already,  and who respond to questions with typical cheesy "shooting the messenger" rhetoric ------ usually have a LOT to offer, but not one word of it is the truth."

This tragic episode is finished and all that is left is for the fat lady to sing. I hope for everyone's sake she will begin her aria post haste and those who have been hurt will heal quickly as our country needs us all -   

There are truly effective methods to bring about the demise of the criminal cabal that is at the helm of the Ship of State,  but NONE of those genuine methods will ever include self appointed saviors who are heads of rogue organizations.

I left a comment on Terri's blog.


AMEND NOTE: Mar 9th, 2011 at 8:32pm
      They deleted my post, so they will be going into the category "People dividing the Movement".

Here is a good post about the Turner movement.

http://gwgjlg.wordpress.com/2011/02/23/rusa-will-we-welcome-it-or-say-goodbye/

TLGA says:
March 10, 2011 at 5:00 pm

Everything about it has become surreal. How do people continually buy into outlandish claims which never come to fruition? How do they overlook obvious lies that keep changing as the teller forgets the details of the ones he’s told before? As the promises slide deeper into the realm of fantasy the believers become ever more deluded. Some resort to outright righteous indignation and shout epithets at those attempting to share truth.

The answer is as varied as the personalities involved. Some cannot accept the fact that Turner’s fantasy interim government was a figment of his own demented imagination. Pride will not let them admit to themselves that it is just plain ridiculous to think a handful of people in any given state has the power to elect a whole new state government to represent millions who don’t even know they exist. They are so enamored of the title they hold they cannot see the forest for the trees.

Others are driven by greed, the endless promises of gold and riches and a “silver bullet” to save them from the hopeless economic situations they’ve gotten themselves into. Still others have bought without question Turner’s fake Evangelical Jubilee but at the end of the day the fact remains, many have bought the equivalent of beach front property in the middle of the Sahara, hook line and sinker and even long after the cell doors close on Turner and company they will cling to it.

Not all are in that category though. There are many patriotic, intelligent, capable and valuable people still clinging to the Republic because they think mistakenly that it is the only hope, the only game in town. Once they realize it not only isn’t any kind of hope and certainly isn’t the only game in town, they will come to their senses. Those are the people who will be needed to step up in their respective fields of expertise to rebuild this nation.

The truth is there is only one way to take our country back. A united front of the people. Forming an organization and giving it a name accomplishes nothing other than providing the de facto with a target. Arrows can’t be aimed at the wind. When the masses become educated, enlightened and determined to right the wrongs which have been done to them and begin to act while at the same time remaining compliant with the de facto’s twisted rules they will not know how to stop it.

There are no White Knights, Silver Bullets, Tons of Gold or Magic Quick Fixes. There is only the same answer there was in 1776, the people.

YOU ARE THE ANSWER

David C wrote on Mar 10th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

The truth is there is only one way to take our country back. A united front of the people. Forming an organization and giving it a name accomplishes nothing other than providing the de facto with a target. Arrows can’t be aimed at the wind. When the masses become educated, enlightened and determined to right the wrongs which have been done to them and begin to act while at the same time remaining compliant with the de facto’s twisted rules they will not know how to stop it. There are no White Knights, Silver Bullets, Tons of Gold or Magic Quick Fixes. There is only the same answer there was in 1776, the people. YOU ARE THE ANSWER

OKAY...

The last part about 1776 is somewhat a red flag. Is Teri (TLGA) saying there needs to be a "physical" revolution?

I agree with the last part of that. Each individual is the answer, as people who follow Turner are looking for another king. That is what got us in this trouble in the first place. Also, it relates to the "look in the mirror" thing I have been saying for some time. But most people will not except to be responsible for things being the way they are as their fault. As long as they will not admit that, they will continue to be in torment.

The People's Awareness Coalition has been about education for the past 10 years:

People's Awareness Coalition | Statement of Purpose
The People’s Awareness Coalition discerns that vigilance and an understanding of the law are paramount to the preservation of liberty. As a result, the Coalition commits to increasing Americans’ awareness of the designed legal fraud perpetrated against them and their countries, and resolves to instruct people of America in the appropriate historical facts and law.

The ultimate goal of the Coalition is to reestablish the American union’s lawful republican governmental system as set forth by the organic Constitution. Coalition members are therefore patriotically motivated in the support of Liberty, and firmly believe that wars and rebellions are the two most destructive diseases of society. Hence, the Coalition resolves to accomplish its goals in a political and peaceful manner.

Having said that, there is a fix, but it is not quick for most. You have to be the magic. We do play "by their rules". PAC has been doing it for folks for about ten years now. Accordingly, people can ban together without the negative recourse stated. The best the adversary can do is send out disinformation agents and agent provocateurs to be a distraction. One should ask, aside the lies Turner has used, how does someone rise to power and recognition so fast without substantial financial backing? Ergo, people like Turner have been put in place to screw-up the works. This makes people get worn down by being deceived and having their money taken which makes them give-up.

The ones who are looking for the king or new god or gods are going to be in the same boat they are now. Due to this, I have seen little to know common sense or anyone that knows law within these "followers". The Turner gang is destine to fail because of its faulty start and foundation. Not to mention its members now marked.

Today, people (namely Americans) are arrogant and will not listen. Between that and the cake and eat it too crowd, the only way to do this is with people under contract who abide by the rules of a private society. Such people will set the proper example of which all can witness and follow if they are willing to do what is necessary.

With all that stated, this is why The Island Makers Project had to be put in place. After 15 years of people struggling and failing, which includes being put in jail amongst other thing, it is the only sane provision. Many will not like it, but how else to you cut through the self-importance and evil? This is the only way to thwart the plants/conmen like Turner.

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    who have followed the legal means to take back the lawful nationalities of their respective
    countries. Such people understand the nature of a de facto government and what is prescribed
    under international law in regard to the right of self-determination. And further such members
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Accordingly, State Nationals is a society of people who have taken back their nationalities of the several republics (or countries/states) in the Union. They enjoy the freedom that is incorporated into the original constitutional system established by the founding fathers. This area is to discuss issues of a general nature for such people.

More Tim Tuner schemes and nonsense...

Top 25 NWO Kills – Tim Turner Because We Stand for Truth

Tim Turner's course for becoming a "Secured Party Creditor," is still available by clicking on to the site www.morningliberty.com   Near the top-right of the page you'll find a banner for Tim's course.

Every Wednesday "the Republic," come together to hear from it's leaders in a Conference Cally. You could listen in, if you like to progress updates and advice from the RuSA.  At 6pm Pacific Time call 424-203-8000 and then access code 819054 #

From the link below, Kelby Smith begins the discussion as the moderator.  Tim Turner then steps in to admit that the RuSA credential equipment has been hijacked by some men that Tim Turner thought he could trust.  Republic President Tim Turner borrowed money in order to acquire this equipment and he vows to repay that loan, even though this credential equipment is no longer in the hands of the RuSA. more here...

Secured Party Creditor is the solution  [smiley=lol.gif]

Also, looks like these guys (like Kelby Smith) were deep into mortgage fraud...

Kelby Smith: A simple search of public court records reveals that Kelby has a very, very, large file.  I am in receipt of that file (and a few others).  Kelby seems to be under some kind of protection that does not emanate from God.  (?)  Members of the republic have been investigating Kelby – all who surround Tim.  At this point, word has it that Kelby will be facing 32 new counts (and counting) of mortgage fraud – and a few more charges – soon – very soon.  He has an interesting company – the latest of a string of interesting companies. I’ve forgotten the name of the website – but I’ve seen it.  I’ll spare you details about what has been gathered against Jim Fitzgerald & C W Wright.  Many in the republic are squeaky-clean.  EG: Robert Zuluaga - our regional ambassador - is so clean, he squeaks when he walks - - - -more here...

Come on guys, look in the mirror. It is your fault.

The response being provided to inquires on Tim Turners con game....

Greetings David,

This is LB Bork, PAC Representative.

In regard to the following query:

    ***What, if any, is PAC\'s relationship to the newly-reinhabited de jure Oregon Republic?

Sincerely, David (all rights reserved)


In regard, the following is provided:

Thank you for the inquiry, David Thomas McKenzie.


Absolutely NO affiliation! Repeat, NO AFFILIATION.

Those people are victims of what appears to be a major sting operation by an adversary (United States? Satan? LOL). Many of them are getting put in jail now due to their leader, Tim Turner. The adversary appears to have gotten Turner to go out and use every piece of good and bad information to use as bait to lure people into the scam. Without doubt, it is a major disinformation/sting operation. How can this assertion be made? Some principles of good information of the "sting project" are stolen from the research that I, among others, have done. We have collaborative research knowledge of over 100 years. The other side of the coin, the bad information has gotten loads of people put in jail/prison the past ten years or so.

More information here...
http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1290281912

Accordingly, the "de jure Oregon Republic" has not re-inhabited anything,
but they (it) will be inhabiting the prison system very soon.

Disinformation is the way things are being handled by the adversary at this time.
You might want to visit The Island Makers Project www.islandmakers.us

And again, thank you for contacting us.
Best regards, LB ~ The Coalition

Be careful who you listen to out there:

Subject: [Lawmen: 4247] Another Victim of Tim Turner (OID) and Doug Riddle (A4V) - $5,000 IRS Penalty

I keep telling people to steer clear of Patriot Myth Mongers (PMMs).  Two Avid PMMs took this woman's money and led her down the garden path to destitution.  Please, LEARN from her lesson.

Bob Hurt
OID and A4V nightmare
Posted by: "Kathleen Melincavage" 
Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:54 am (PDT)


Hello folks this is easier to do than to reply to each and every post about this.

First and foremost I did attend Tim Turner's seminar in the fall of 2009.  I did the whole process.  I also followed Doug Riddle in the a4v and received no relief, followed the steps exactly.  third my husband listened to Brandon Adams on the OID and hence this is where I am.

Second I have not received any relief from the A4V and nobody can tell me different that it works.  I do not care about all the statements being posted and so forth.  It is BS in my opinion and my eyes, they want to follow it than go ahead I spent enough time and energy on  it.

Third the OID process that we did was for 2009 and they are still holding up  our refund.  We were expecting 223,000.00 well that dream came and went.  I received the first love letter from Maureen Green and followed up in the time frame with my own love letter to prove that this is wrong, well they sent me another love letter that I clearly followed up with.  Well after to speaking to several individuals about the IRS and them fighting for 6 years or more i got sick and tired of  it.  I was a realtor last year that the money went down tubes and decided to go back to school well when you go to school they want the tax returns so after the warning signs I changed our position and sent in the 1040 x as well as having a tax advocate work on our behalf.  During  this time frame we filed our 2010 return I did that the correct way.  Well was suppose to get a refund but that is being held up until 2009 is settled.

Well they finalized the 2009 1040x and is suppose to  issue the refund as well as releasing the 2010 money.  Well a wonderful snag happended on February 25, 2011 there was no penalities assessed as well as we received our IMF report dated the 15th of February and no penalities all of a sudden we get more love letters stating that they are assessing my hsuband and I 5000.00 each for the frivolous filings.  So as of today the tax advocate is now trying an abatement of the 10000.00 so that we get all the refund.  As a matter of fact they are also holding up the overrage from the 10000.00 and will nto release that.

So to summarize I do not believe in the A4V no matter how many people boast.
Also if you want to play with the OID I hope that you like the colonoscopy raw because they will give it to you raw.  If i do not receive the $10000.00 i will be taking them to tax court as well as the advocate for not doing her job correctly.

Yeah happy for me to learning more code and to settle in the public.

Kathleen

Chief wrote on Mar 26th, 2011 at 9:28am:

Be careful who you listen to out there: Subject: [Lawmen: 4247] Another Victim of Tim Turner (OID) and Doug Riddle (A4V) - $5,000 IRS Penalty I keep telling people to steer clear of Patriot Myth Mongers (PMMs).  Two Avid PMMs took this woman's money and led her down the garden path to destitution.  Please, LEARN from her lesson.

Yup... Those TurnerTards are getting taken by Turner big time. Greed will do it.

Again, Timothy Turner is pushing every "patriot" thing that has been out there the past 10 years. 99% of it is wrong.
If this guy is not an agent provoc, he sure a the biggest conman I have seen in my lifetime.

Where is Tim Turner now? Things have been quiet out there.

Anyone have anything, here?

Not that I agree with anything this guy believes in regard to what these people of the "Republic" are doing, but this shows how big a joke and mess the whole thing is...

AN EXPOSE’ OF THE FRAUD IN ILLINOIS!
After a year of research and full consideration, I, Luanne E. Brackett am completely fed up with the lies and deceit coming from this Republic. I believe that I am being harassed to the point of resignation.  First this letter serves as a protective measure for my personal private estate and personage, and second as an ‘informative’ letter to those deliberately kept in the dark and out of the loop.  I believe in particular our Republic of Illinois has taken a fanatical and fantastical direction I find to be both illegal and foolish, and will not associate with such activity.  This document is not my resignation, it is an expose’ of the fraud and corruption in Illinois, that I also believe affects other states.

The messages I have posted about National and Mr Turner and others are meant to wake others up.  I know that most in this state know nothing.  I for one just hope that none of it is true. I hope that HLS and the FBI are not investigating him, which I have been told by other members, but I don’t know.   I have NEVER had the intention to tear this republic apart, even though I have been accused of it.  However, you as members need to know what issues we face, including the messages I have posted regarding National in the Skype room.  I have been contacted to start other groups that operate as true sovereigns but at this time I will not give the energy to such an endeavor.  I do not see the value in it, at all.   I would rather take the creative and productive aspect of my womanhood and at least expose the problems and leave it up to you to produce amicable solutions to the many problems as expressed here.  We have NO checks and balances.  When I showed that I would not be manipulated everything has taken a turn for the worse.  I don’t take kindly to being bullied, nor do I take kindly to being slandered and according to common law, the conversations sent to me, are indeed slanderous, and its source is our self-selected Governor.  I maintain that indeed, she is self-selected and not properly elected.   I will not be victimized, slandered, nor harassed as others have been.  The record is what it is.

I was informed today that this lying Governor of yours said she “fired” me.  The issue is her ego.  She cannot control me at all.  Well now, that would be real nice if I got a notice of that firing that she supposedly has done.  The woman is a liar people.   The fact is this.  Once you're appointed (The Chief Ambassador for Illinois), and I am, the Governor cannot fire you.  Only the President can remove you from that position.  Mr Turner has not done this.  I don't "work" for the state or for the Governor.  I have in fact recruited many members nationwide.  Months ago I contacted our National Ambassador and informed him that I was having issues, namely time constraint issues and I was stepping back, but I have NEVER formally resigned the position.  I did the same thing with Sharon.  I told her I was thinking about resigning.  Since that time I continued to remain active, because I knew the Republic still needed help.  I will be not intimidated into resigning because I am exposing the corruption, nor can your self-selected governor fire me.   It is completely out of her control.  I don’t expose to tear apart, I expose to awaken and teach self-governing.  The things that have been done are in fact wrong, so it is our duty to move forward.

This explains a LOT to me that's going on now.  The word is that about 10 governors are trying to get the Ambassador  position done away with.  This has actually happened previously.  This is incredible since she recently was VERY clear that Illinois needed me as the Ambassador.  She was fighting with other governors to keep the ambassador position just a few months back, but now that she knows she cannot control me, she may attempt to fire me, but cannot, so she will attempt to manipulate other Governors to do just what she was screaming NOT to do months back.  I know Sharon has discussed with others that the Ambassador position is about to be done away with and that anyone working in that capacity would not be getting paid.  NOT SO!  Very interesting.  It is all about money for her, for sure.  Not me, I don’t need any money, and have proven that by fully paying for many things.   Get rid of her and get rid of that SOS.  They are both in dishonor.  Both of them are OUT of their league when they deal with me.  I handle liars appropriately.  I expose them and let the chips fall where they may.  I have in fact exposed much corruption in the last weeks, and these people are foaming at the mouth to get rid of me.  The fact is this.  I want all of you to WAKE UP and self-govern.  That’s all.

Next, document management and development is fatally flawed.  If you offer help as I and others have, we are immediately shut down.  It is obvious they have much to hide.   Let’s start with having meetings, then conning blinded trusting individuals to sign incomplete forms, thus allowing any imaginable use of these documents.  The Illinois Constitution  must be tossed because of the control mechanism placed in it to benefit guess who?  It reads like a first grader wrote it.  You read it.  She refuses to listen to anyone.  She apparently does not understand the difference between a Republic and a free state.  She would not remove the term ‘militia’ that has an obvious negative charge.  A simple change of the word militia to  Rangers was out of her grasp.  Why invite trouble?  An extremely important issue is the ‘oath of office’.  The Declaration of Sovereign Rights does NOT do the job.  You must have an Oath of Office.  This is a critical protective measure that that WE the People must have, and it is non-existent.  This is the mechanism to remove bad seeds or prosecute.  This is the mechanism that will both protect our Constitution and the people.  You have to force this issue.  The county settlement document is a complete piece of trash.  It was to be used in all counties with at least petit grand juries, but has been deceitfully changed to allow the state to dictate to counties.  Meaning, Crook Chicago-land county can dictate to any of the 102 counties in IL?  Since when does a person in who resides in one county dictate to another?   Well I must say, we might as well keep the de facto.  She has been making decisions on things including funding and never informed Congress or membership.  She has no respect or honor of office of governor and is in dishonor.  She must be removed.   She is using the typical ad hominem attacks against me to convince others that I am bad, and will keep operating this way until YOU do something about it.

The huge issues of fraudulent elections are so deep and has been experienced nationwide, so it is difficult to explain.  I was a signed member of this republic of Illinois, since July 20,2010, in Springfield, and NEVER got a vote in anything except the removal of a member, (which may have been illegal) and a vote for the republic seal.  If indeed, I was excluded after I was a member, then all ‘elected’ officials in our state are null and void, AND there is no defense to such activity.  Obviously this leads to election fraud and document fraud.  Since I have never had clarity in this issue, I have felt that my position as an ‘appointed’ ambassador was indeed an illusion and fraudulent.  However, I maintain, that I have operated honorably nonetheless.   If indeed the elections are fraudulent, then I maintain the secrecy and refusal to accept help with document management is a blatant obstruction of justice.  My job was to help recruit and that I did, however, in the meantime, I was completely kept in the dark regarding everything, and my time was limited due to business expansion.  These conditions certainly affected my ability to bring people in, not only the time constraints but because I have a conscience. What kind of chaos am I bringing them into?  If the simple asking of questions creates chaos, then there is a real problem with truth.  There is a serious problem with truth and it begins with the self-selected Governor and her side kick the Secretary of State.

In Illinois everything is top down in nature.  One of the first bits of information I received once ‘appointed’ Ambassador, was that I was to be ‘privy’ to all activity along with the Governor and Secretary of State.  Consequently and immediately this information became ‘one’ of the early red flags for me.  When the normal operating procedure of secrecy is practiced in a supposed Republican form of governing there is doomed failure on the horizon.  Transparency is absolutely non existent.

A huge concern of mine is the potential suborning of the grand jury and jury tampering.   There is constant secrecy (I know that actual jury cases cannot be discussed in open), however simple discussion and education of how to operate in that office should have been pursued a year ago.  IF, all complaints have to go through the Governor, then obstruction of justice is indeed an issue.   It is up to you to fix this NOW.

Suborning the jury is very serious.  Mr. Turner proposed to grand juries to come to the decision to appoint him to an office or VOTE.  Then we had to elect governments.  It had to be done quickly, and since then, whatever the critical time limit was never panned out.  Was it the original 27 in every state Grand Jury members that voted him in, or was it not?   I know I didn’t get a vote.  Was it the original grand jury members who voted in the Senators, Congress, and Governor among themselves that voted for him?   Either way, it is questionable.   Now, to you who are offended, please find any precedent!   There is no precedent where a grand jury can appoint an ant to an anthill much less an appointment to anything.  They do vote on their foreman, correct me if I am wrong.  That position is not to be appointed by the Governors?  It is the duty of the grand jury members to vote for the foreman, absolutely not an appointment by a Governor.   Yet every foreman has been selected and appointed by the Governor.  Also, it is not the duty or responsibility of the grand jury to get involved in any of the three branches of government and vice versa.   No GJ member has any such authority to do such a thing and you cannot create authority out of thin air.  You’ve got to function in that office according to the duties of that office or you are misfeasant and malfeasant in the performance of your duties. 

This is the most important issue at hand, and its true function has been hidden from you.   Forming juries in every county is where true power lies and is what we started as and we were led to believe we were doing, however we have been duped.  We have all been programmed all of our lives to NOT come to any real conclusions.  Many of us have never deprogrammed our minds to the true study of law, especially treaty law or laws of nations.   Most are well meaning, but are poorly prepared to competently operate within these offices, for the most part.   You are occupying an office of “trust”  but you have no idea what that means.  It is the office that you don’t understand.  The office does not have a personality, no agenda, no ego, no ambition.  It only has duties and responsibilities, which is why the oath is required before entrance into the office.  Whether the oath contains the word fidelity or not, you are in fact subscribing to a fiduciary oath.   The duties are critical.

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Unfortunately you entered the offices as you did when you signed the jural covenant, and those in leadership, it is quite obvious that you did not leave your egos, personalities and ambition at the door.   The meetings, rare correspondence, conference calls, (especially the April 18th call) are evidence of that.   When you sit there functioning in that office there is a critical process that must take place.  You cannot take anyone's word for anything.   It is not true evidence that is acquired through proper and thorough investigation.   When you sit and sift through the evidence, then you come to a thoughtful conclusion, or due process of law will be nonexistent and performance to the standards of the office will be skewed.  Here is where the trouble began.  They tried to fix it, but never have.   As a grand jury member, (you signed the document) you cannot be involved in the Executive, Judicial, or Legislative branches of government.   You cannot operate in any form of commerce.  What has been proposed in these imaginary offices for a salary of 144K per year is commerce.  You CANNOT determine wages and profits.   I KNOW exactly why many won’t question and remain as puppets.  They actually think they will get this wage, which means they are completely unfit.  It’s all about money.  That was a while back and has probably changed, but none the less, it WAS fraud.  It is cronyism to the max, perversion of maxims of law and a complete perversion of duties and responsibilities of the grand jury and all branch offices occupied.   You have been set up for serious perversion of duties and responsibilities of grand juries.   It is what the law says it is.  I am saying that in an illusionary hurry, the original 27 grand jury members have suborned the grand jury. That is a capitol crime.  You have never operated properly.  Someone knows these facts but ignores them.  Instead of building at least petite juries in the 102 counties first, you were duped into building a government under false pretenses and a myriad of inconsistencies and fraudulent actions have taken place.   Hence, the most important aspect, education and training were left in the dust.  It is what it is.  It is a sham, a complete failure, and the only way you can move on is to toss all elected positions and start over.  You can not operate in sedition.  You must start over.  Everyone is here for a reason, so BE THE CHANGE!

Let’s move to Congress.  There is no real open discussion of the Peoples business.  I found this today, and this site has been out there for some time.   http://www.republiccongress.org.  This is the PEOPLES business, and they are making laws and I have no idea what they have actually done.  When you get a chance to thoroughly peruse that site you should.  Hopefully, it is good stuff.  This has been done in secrecy and I have a real problem with the way Congressional members are not communicating with members.   They are making laws people, and you have no idea what they are.

There is extreme secrecy and transparency is nonexistent.  The conference calls doing The People’s business are kept private, and the occasional release of recordings of Governors calls with the public invited showed the level of competency of officials.  The recent fiasco during the Illinois April calls for the whole Republic consisted of bullying, intimidation, harassment, foul language and was a complete embarrassment to any forward thinking individual.  There is an obvious lack of character and integrity of one, Kimberly Meier, appointed Secretary of State and moderator of the call.  The calls showed a level of immaturity rarely seen, both by her and those on the call.  She went right along with an April Illinois Republic call without cutting the filthy mouthed threatening appointed official off.  There was no verbal or official statement given by the Governor showing her disapproval.  It is my belief after watching the actions of this leadership over the year that it appears the call was a set up.  I could be wrong, but I say this based on experience and the fruit being produced.  The Governor suddenly left the call,  to go to a ‘Governors’ call, and instead of ending the call like she usually did, the call was left open, and it became a lynching of the Federal Grand Jury Foreman and the Recording Secretary.  This is the type of mob mentality that has happened across this country of anyone who questions.  All one has to do is open their eyes and listen with discernment.  Watch how individuals are minimized, attacked as de facto, called crazy, off the deep end, satanic, Luciferian, Bush cabal, alphabet de facto moles and plants, and the list of psychotic paranoid labels are endless.  Your governor is a pro at ad hominem attacks and I believe she is extremely paranoid which leads her to have severe trust and control issues.  She is completely unfit for the position and if you choose to operate as a government, you better find a replacement and fast.  I know there are members who are capable and honorable.  Find them.

Across this country people have given their heart and soul to this so called ‘remedy’ only to be viciously attacked when they ask ANY questions.  There are hundreds of stories, and I have personally witness dozens and know individuals personally.   

Next, I will address the Illinois republic.com and org website, and the Wisconsin website.  Late last fall Ambassadors across the nation realized they needed an internet mechanism to help them build their individual Republics.  I bought the domains, bought hosting, security etc with the intention of gifting to Republic members, however no lawful contract was written.  I then built, maintained the web site and diligently worked, (outside of running 2 small businesses and caring for family) to bring in members, doing the usual, calling, answering questions etc.  Recently, out of the blue, the Gov and SOS started demanding access and full control of the site.  I thoroughly explained the back office was connected to 6 domains.  Two of those domains contained proprietary business documents.  I had ONE (1) access code for all sites.  I was in the process of separating and planned on handing them full ownership, even after being rudely treated.  I was beginning to understand the real issue was one of control, on the Governor and SOS part.  Most of it new programming was ready to be published, and they both knew I was upgrading the site, yet the Gov asked the members for money to pay for new domains and websites.  The whole thing was THE most pathetic display of corruption on their part, I am thankful that I didn’t cower to their psychotic whims.  Those two should be removed based on their mishandling of this issue alone.  I only reported a small portion of happened, and I have the documentation.   The bottom line, they tried to steal it and I wouldn’t let them.

I also, bought and did the same thing for the Wisconsin Republic.  I knew that that Republic should be managing their own site so I gifted that domain over to Dot recently, the very person our seditious IL Gov referred me to, to help with contacting Wisconsin people.  I was then informed that I could not give the domain to Dot because she could not be trusted and the only person ‘authorized’ was this new person in the position of State Administrator.  Once it is all said and done, I have since found out, that Dot, the Wisconsin Secretary of State, has been brutally treated by the newly ‘elected’ government that Sharon was directly involved in setting up in that state.  Dot has since been ‘impeached’ and of course threatened with what they deem as lawful action.  I now know a great deal of the details surrounding that issue. The new Administrator actually sent out a letter to Rep members of that republic insisting that they not speak or have anything to do with Dot, and signed it with phony Christian phrases.  They also demanded she hand them the site.  I bought the site, built and managed it for 6 months, and I gave it to the one who was doing the work.  That is how I think!  She was working and contacting people.  Not one person or fictional government can force her to hand them the domain, and I say good for her.  I say good for her for protecting the members documents, even if those very members turn on her.    They have forced her to take another avenue.  It is disgusting.

Recently, I understand that Jim Fitzgerald, the National Ambassador, along with Robert Zuluaga of National, enlisted the help of well known patriot Floyd.   They knew he had lots of connections nationwide and enlisted him to build the Wisconsin republic.  Now both Dot and Floyd have been singled out and harassed by the new Government in Wisconsin, which is the very government that the controlling Illinois Governor had a hand in putting in place.  It is interesting to get the other side of the story and why people do what they do.  Now the very people that could be a huge asset in Wisconsin are now moving in another direction.  It is because of the ignorant ad hominem procedures used by our alleged Gov and failure to operate in transparency.  This is the same thing that is happening with me.

I have had quite interesting conversations with many great patriots, including the former Governor of Wisconsin, and why exactly he refused to go along with everything National.  He has been accused of much, and I was given false information about him by Sharon.  Let me clarify that.  SHE lied about him, and he was one of her friends.   One of those issues is the monetizing of state natural resources and his effort to protect members and his state.   That is just one of the many issues.  Money, money, money, is what its all about.

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The same goes for Arkansas.  I was there when everything went down.  I know how the elections for Arkansas were conducted by the Illinois Secretary of State, how our Gov helped determine who should hold what position in that State, encouraging me to do the same, because it had to be done immediately, (untrue)  the document  dissemination, the previous RAP group, all of it.  And it sure is one thing to help other states, and quite another of controlling a state, (or county) that you don’t reside in.  I know that your Governor is manipulating and controlling both Wisconsin and Arkansas.  Why?  She is operating in complete dishonor, and a complete conflict of interest as the Regional Ambassador.  What is wrong with this picture? 

This is just some of the wrongful actions in Illinois.  The bottom line is to reboot, wipe it clean, find out how to operate lawfully.  Toss all fake elections, and elected positions, and documents  and create new de jure grand juries in 102 counties ONLY!  The fatal flaws are obvious.   If you decide to continue with this sham of a Government, then you do so without me and others who know of the sickening actions, who have been attacked, and who are resigning.  Then when you decide to actually think for yourselves you too will be attacked. 

Now, on to National.  Where to begin?  All of this trickles down to the state level.  I am real concerned that there have been no background checks on all of these leaders, both state and national.  I have done some myself, and have found felons, ex cons, sexual abusers, child and spousal abusers, thieves, and con artists, but that is not to say that all those who work at the National or State level are remotely like this.  All info I have is found in the court system.  I clearly understand that people can have a past and that doesn’t automatically mean they are evil today, but let’s get real here.  This Republic has become a den of vipers because we didn’t do our own homework and protect this movement.   YOU can right these wrongs.   Wipe the slate clean and start over!

Of course I like others completely disagree with National mixing commerce or personal gain with government.  Government’s gain should be taxes and fees.  Government employees’ gain should be their paychecks and standard benefit packages.  Any discussion of this issue is quickly squashed by the goon squads, and what a shame.

The constant drama’s of gold, funding, dinar revalue fiasco, continuous dramas of military support, secret meeting in Atlanta, (funny that the National Guard was meeting in the next room, a simple manipulation) money-laundering allegations, theft of peoples money for ID’s.  That one really got me, since I am an engraver by trade and know what it costs to make quality and official ID tags and no, I don’t want or need their business.  That was blatant theft.  The alleged connections with rats and fugitives from justice, people losing their homes while these people promise remedy and it never materializes.  The constant building up hopes only to see hearts broken and people become even more hardened. All of these are very serious allegations, it is being investigated and I hope for the best.  It doesn’t look like it.  There are very serious charges that violate the true maxims of law.  National is a problem, and I don’t know if it can be fixed or not.  I did find the recent Ambassador call very encouraging, and now there is Constitution training.   Somebody is beginning to understand.

So now the ball is in your court. The foundation you now have is built on corruption and has failed.  Be the change and rebuild on solid ground.  You Be the Change!


COMMENTS:

LB comment:
Wipe the slate clean and start over? You cannot fix what has faulty foundation to begin with.

A friend of mine, Tom, and his comment:

QUESTION: When will the [wo]men of this so-called Republic admit that I did warn them of this dubious scheme; and apologize to me for their slanderous attacks and devisionist tactics practiced against me for merely and freely expressing my well seasoned opinions and doubts based upon reasonable suspicions (which turned out to be true)?

ANSWER: Never, because they don’t have or can’t find the HONOR to: (1) admit they were deceived; (2) admit that I cared enough to take an unpopular stand to warn them; and (3) plea the Statute of Jeofails and apologize for their dishonor towards me (or anyone else who warned then) as I would not join their ill-conceived little Club!

Small minds breed ignorance ... they always shoot the messenger if he doesn't parrot the dictum they are peddling or package they are selling for their own personal, political or monetary benefit ... that in itself proved to me that I would have NO Freedom of Speech or Expression in their brave new fictional world - so I refused to consent or meet with such delusional minds or political schemes!

The knowledge of smatterers is diluted ignorance {Scientia sciolorum est mixta ignorantia};

So say the TurnerTards who are members of the Turner cult.

The "Governor of the Colorado Republic" showed up at the State Nationals Society meeting in Colorado on July 30th. He was spouting "The Republic is Restored" to which he was ignored by the Nationals of Colorado. He finally left after a short period of time. This is how the adversary works... They attempt to infiltrate and con people into their camps. The people who of the Holy Spirit are immune from the evil that surrounds the programs.

Anyway, there are three (3) governors of Colorado now: The real (yet de facto) government of Colorado; and the two (2) Mickey Mouse Club ones: Team Law one; and the Turner Cult one. Boy, three (3) state governments in one territory. Interesting. If John Ainsworth gets a foothold in Colorado, there will be three of the Mickey Mouse Club variety.

The people of the Mickey Mouse Club variety fail to understand the law, and are acting as unruly subjects.*
Fact is, the "Republic" or "republics" still exist... People rather live in the "Democracy" under politics and private law.

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*Unruly Subjects. In American law, people who are part of the body politic under the 14th Amendment are subject to its law. These "citizens of the United States" or "subjects" who go against their government and fail to obey the laws of the State and the United States would be deemed unruly subjects. Island Makers Project Lexicon

This is a hoot! Kudos to whomever put it together...
What is even funnier are the comments from "The Republic" Kool-Aid drinkers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfPAyNzb_Jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfPAyNzb_Jk

1st Video, listen how to file bogus claims using de facto forms.
Tim, thought the Republic was restored? Why are you having people play in "the other" government?

2nd Video, "President Turner" blathers on about nothing of substance.
Hey Prez, seems like all of the sudden you know about the 14th Amendment where it was not an issue before.
[td]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck3r7Bwcc8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck3r7Bwcc8M [/td]
[td]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffoZ-_L8TFo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffoZ-_L8TFo [/td]

Note the above videos are gone... Par for the course.

RuSA is dead, so saith the leaders...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMscdSQQnEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMscdSQQnEM


I would like to thank everyone is RuSA for distracting people with the wrong principles and destroying what I have been attempting to get together for the past ten years.