The federal government appears to have a strange mixture of people working as so-called representatives. They are said to work for you and I. However, these people appear to have other ideas about who their fidelity is to.

What do you think in this respect?

Come on folks, it is ok to post here, already !

I chose Washington D.C., because as far as black letter law is concerned, this would be the most correct answer

Their allegiance to multi-nationals, etc . .  is THE RESULT of the allegiance being to D.C.

D.C. is the poisonous tree of the commercial bitter fruit !

To be honest, I don't know much about my state representatives. I hope they represent the people of my state.

This was a tuff one. In N.H. they voted against the bail out but the senators voted for it. But I saw a vidio of the senator of Cailf. say "85% of the people do not want it" (the bail out) Then she followed with this statement. "I think it is impearitive that we vote for this bail out."
If the government is not doing what the people want, what good is it?

It is time to disarm the military and restore freedom, you pussies should leave you are ruining our country. On I-22-09 I heard the chair person in state legislation say to a citizen " You do not have the right to redress congress only a state rep or senator  has that right." Ask N.H. liberty alience because they where there too.

I chose the state they are from Idealy thr representers represent the people of the state according to district. The seneters are or should be chosen by the state reps to. Seems to me the follow along the same line as the house of commons and the house of lords.

Now what we have today sure does not seem like that. Take Our israeliamerican senior senator Schumer here in NY. I saw him salivating cuz hes gonna get 5 billion for ny most of it goes for his pals in the city like3.4 million for nyc and 1.6 billion for the rest of upstate ny to grovel over.

Yes they spread dianties around and we the people hang out hoping to get a piece of the pie.

I certainly am tired  of payin these guys.

So wheres the alliegence? Every man for himself.

Kevin

Reading the above 2 posts struck me as reasonable, but it seems like you guys lack and understanding of how the 14th amendment makes state reps act more as D.C. reps rather than for your state.

You really need to read the Red amendment or listen to the Ultimate remedy show

First and foremost, the notion of being loyal to something as amorphous as a city, or a country; or to a corporation, or banking industry is naïve. No one can see, feel, taste, or touch any of these things. These things are nothing more than ideas (or relationships at best). Rational human beings give their loyalty (and, yes, in some cases, their allegiance) to other people.... not to a city, to a country, corporation, or to an industry. That's irrational behaviour.

Human loyalty requires something physical for it to take form; something more for it to become influencial in our lives... than an idea; that is, loyalty requires the stimulous of both pain and pleasure in our lives (punishment and reward) for it to become effective; while pleasure is typically the most effective means of creating (rational) expressions of loyalty (which some may prefer to call... "dependency")!

With that in mind, it's easy to see that these parasites are first loyal to themselves and to the criminal network that sustains them (what ever form that network may take; a "Think Tank", the MSM, a corporate or political appointment, a Lobby,... whatever); the only litmus test for which is whether these criminals, upon realising what is happening, stand-up against it, or laydown.

So, whether we choose the term allegiance, or servitude, the real question all comes down to whether politicians (or anyone for that matter) has chosen to "laydown" or "stand up"?

hmmmm...I'll just post this, as it verifys my vote...lol

Top Senate Democrat:Bankers own the US Congress.

Sen. Dick Durbin, blurted this out on a local Chicago radio station this week.  Is dated 4/30/09
This is not a website I frequent, nor have ever visited, till I saw the headline at one of my connections from the Ron Paul campaign websites, and radio show...beyond the right left paradigm.  It can be found at www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/30/ownership/

I'm not trying to promote anything here...just stating where I found the info, and where it's located.  I tried to copy/paste, and it wouldn't let me, or I'd have done that.  Just ironic a Democratic Senator admitting it openly.  Though I have a better link to a youtube from cspan of Congresswoman Nancy Raptur D-Toledo, Ohio ripping the FED, and suggesting investigations and prosectuions of all parties involved going back at least 15 years....she seems to be getting it too.  So maybe there is some hope....lol

I chose Washington D.C.  For the President and Congress as well as the state Legislators Legislate for the citizens not the state nationals.  

I chose Multi-National Corporations. In my opinion, that is who the reps represent and show their allegiance to. China controls the ports in Long Beach. And who was it that wanted to control the toll roads in Texas? Dubai Inc or something like that? These same reps and/or their spouses sit on the boards of these corporations. It's one gigantic conflict of interest and they should all be fired and charged with treason.

Recently I read that Diane Feinstein pushed (successfully) for 25 billion in stimulus for a construction company that her husband just happened to be affiliated with. She later told reporters  that it wasn't a conflict of interest. But that's just the tip of the iceburg. Now the Terminator is begging for more handouts from the fed which will only put us deeper in debt and beholding to foreign interests/fed/banksters and on top of that, the Mayor is attempting to sell off particular Los Angeles properties to the highest bidder regardless of their nationality.

There goes the neighborhood!

V

I couldn't submit a vote because "self" was not listed. [smiley=bow.gif]

I said world bankers because we all know that he who controls the money controls the country.

Bankers would be a good answer.  I once had a U.S. citizen try to sell me some livestock and I told him that I had to check with his daddy first, to verify that the livestock was for sure for sale and that daddy would accept gold coin as tender in payment for the livestock.  Of course the look on the guy's face was priceless, and after 30 minutes of explaining Senate Document 43, House Joint Resolution 192, Stanek v. White, Quid Pro Quo, payment of debts at law verses discharging a debt in equity, he said he would find someone else to buy his NAIS tagged and drugged up cow.  I told him that I thought that was a good idea.  One of these days, for giggles, I think I am going to write a letter to Timothy Geithner at the Fed and ask if the Fed is willing to sell me so and so's cow for so much gold coin.

I believe we have possibly one good representative, but I really can't know for sure.

wrote on Jan 14th, 2010 at 7:03pm:

I believe we have possibly one good representative, but I really can't know for sure.

Hi Julius! Have you read The Red Amendment, yet?

I believe my state representative's allegiance is to the commercial system of Washington, D. C.  He is a lawyer and a member of the FreeMasons.  He may also have allegiance to the bankers and the corporations and Lucifer.

I voted corps., due to the bankers and the corps are all in bed together or they are 1 enitity as with the so called government they are all chained together. Living in the country of Pennsylvania the past 20yrs has really opened my eyes to the length an breath of this scanndel they the USACORP have been and always will hold their alligence to anything but our libertys, threrfore there is no aligence but to themselves.

[smiley=boohoo.gif]

Another valid reason to be happy and grateful that this is NOT MY GOVERNMENT.  [smiley=boggie.gif]

wrote on Aug 12th, 2009 at 11:15pm:

I couldn't submit a vote because "self" was not listed. [smiley=bow.gif]

[smiley=happy.gif]LOL. Right!  Ok then, first themselves, then all the other choices placing the people at the very end buried deep under a stone where they see no light and hear no truth.

Ernie wrote on Jan 14th, 2010 at 9:32pm:

I believe my state representative's allegiance is to the commercial system of Washington, D. C.  He is a lawyer and a member of the FreeMasons.  He may also have allegiance to the bankers and the corporations and Lucifer.

Well, there you have it. You cannot fix what was meant to be broken.

Not very many new people have posted a reply after taking the poll..

I needed a button that says something about my reps are to dumb to figure out which to pledge too.

Cheers.
III

While I answered "Multinational Corporations", as I presume that most politicians are ambitious people [as they are all usually working to line-up their next meal (I mean, job)], I have an issue with the language of this question.

Let's consider the definition of "allegiance" for a moment.

Allegiance is generally defined as "a duty of fidelity (or perhaps, fealty) owed by a subject or a citizen to his/her state or sovereign."

http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegiance
–noun
1. the loyalty of a citizen to his or her government or of a subject to his or her sovereign.
2. loyalty or devotion to some person, group, cause, or the like.

n.
1. Loyalty or the obligation of loyalty, as to a nation, sovereign, or cause. See Synonyms at fidelity.
2. The obligations of a vassal to a lord.

So, as we can all see and share the meaning of this word, I wish to underscore that no one is obliged to swear loyalty to anything or to anyone... without the understanding that such a (blanket) declaration of loyalty is a state of Voluntary Servitude (come what may).

As a case in point, after reading the rest of my message, consider this recent declaration by the Congress of the United States... "US Congress guilty of TREASON ( Please share )"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DHCiDKJ78

For my part, while I blindly and ignorantly swore allegiance to "[a symbol] of the United States of America (but, to nothing in particular)" 20 days a month, 9 months a year, for 12 years (circa, 2.160 times) in my life, as I now know that this extraordinarily corrupt system of government was never designed to promote "liberty and justice for all" (but rather riches and security for a very limited few), I must ask "How can we presume that any living, reasonable being should ever swear their allegiance to a government at all (especially to one so remotely connected to any of our own ability to effect it)?"

Now, having said that, I wish to offer an alternative word, which I find far more meaningful and far more pertinent to our support of our nation (of sovereign and independent countries); and that word is: devotion.

–noun
1. profound dedication; consecration.
2. earnest attachment to a cause, person, etc.
3. an assignment or appropriation to any purpose, cause, etc.: the devotion of one's wealth and time to scientific advancement.
4. Often, devotions. Ecclesiastical. religious observance or worship; a form of prayer or worship for special use.

—Synonyms
2. zeal, ardor. See love.

Now, the wonderful (and obvious) difference between "allegiance" and "devotion" is that the latter requires no act of Voluntary Servitude". It requires instead a daily, personal affirmation of my contribution to my neighbor, to my cause; all based upon love (not blind fealty).

For example, had I been encouraged to recite a pledge that declared... "I pledge (as in "a solemn promise") my personal devotion to the goals and to the purpose of the men and women living in the sovereign and independent states of our union, to stand together for the preservation of our unique and precious republican forms of government as a single voice, united under God; I will forever support and uphold the life, the liberty and the justice for all."... Well, my friends, I'm convinced our complaints today would be few.

Rather, instead of declaring not only my own subservience but also my support of the subservience of others to a government removed from any effect I might have on it... and therefore not only my own cowardice but also the anticipated cowardice of everyone else around me (from defending my own life, my own liberty and my own justice and that of my neighbor) I would have been declaring my own personal "Call to Action" each and every day (of those 2.160 wasted opportunities) to keep a mindful watch against the encroachment of tyranny; which would have carried with it 2.160 affirmations that I will help others to maintain their own personal conviction never to accept any form of blind obedience (either to me nor to anyone or anything).

But that is not what I was asked either to pledge or to declare. And neither were any of you.

Instead, we were all asked to pledge and to declare our Voluntary Servitude (to an organization unaccountable to the people which agree to be held by its governance; each and every day).

That's the real problem. Though, thankfully, perhaps, therein is also a solution.

Just as Khalil Gibran wrote in his book "The Prophet", when his character was asked to speak of "Religion" (katsandogz. com/onreligion. html), Al Mustafa replied, "Your daily life is your temple and your religion. Whenever you enter into it take with you your all."
Devotion is like that. Indeed, devotion is that.
Devotion is a daily religion, into which we take our all.
Devotion is a prayer, only we can answer; when we focus our all upon the solution.

So, I wish ask each and every PAC member reading this thread...

"Is that what we are doing here (devoting ourselves; focusing; taking ourselves into the fray)? Or are we doing something else? Something, perhaps, less)? Are we devoting ourselves to our understanding of the problem and, thus, to its solution? If we are, then, each and every one of us must answer a personal question. "What have I done today to correct the problem; to help myself and to help my neighbor?"

Why is that question important?

Because if I'm reasonably sure my neighbor's not free, then I can be certain that I'm not either?"

But let's not despair.

Remember, "Life's (still) made of (just) little things... because there's nothing any bigger!"

And, so, as the song says,... sometimes, "it's enough to be on your way..."

Other times, however, when devotion requires more (of what we know we can give), it's not.

http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html

That was truly eye opening thanks for posting that I bookmarked it.

wrote on Jan 14th, 2010 at 7:03pm:

I believe we have possibly one good representative, but I really can't know for sure.

If he/she took the oath then that person has to go by IT'S RULES no questions asked!!

Rich of Illinois wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 10:10am:

rexcurry. net/book1a1contents-pledge.html

Thank you, Rich! This is some really interesting material.
The information on Charles Lindbergh especially caught my eye...
rexcurry. net/america-first-committee-charles-lindbergh-wikipedia-org-wiki. html

Man, it's like we're all living in OJ-land!

wrote on Mar 28th, 2010 at 6:38pm:

1. Loyalty or the obligation of loyalty, as to a nation, sovereign, or cause. See Synonyms at fidelity.

Hey there Tennessean...

Nice post on this subject. I look at the definition above as the one I would follow. There is nothing wrong with having trust and honor to your people. On the other hand, there is not any doubt that the "Pledge of Allegiance" has a sinister nature to it, as the post by Rich from Illinois shows. Now that is something much different.

It's like hunting for morel mushrooms.  After someone shows you what to look for, or you find your first one then all of a sudden you are using different eyes, and they just show up everywhere, you might have trampled ten in your walk looking till your vision adjusts to see them.

This is how this deception is revealed, one just had to be shown one thing (you have to read and understand the red amendment) to show you the morel, then suddenly everything has that green matrix hue to it.  It gets easy to spot the deception.  The world didn't change, just your perceptions of it.

Now do like a typical scared federal citizen and shoot the guy who taught you how to find morels.

Geoff J wrote on Nov 27th, 2008 at 3:46pm:

Come on folks, it is ok to post here, already ! ...

I finally figured that out !
You can't post on most of the NMG boards until you've made 5 posts, which was starting to seem like a catch-22.

On this poll, I picked where I think the primary allegience should be - the state they represent.
I've known for a long time that the War Between the States really messed up the checks and balances here. The more I learn about TRA, the more convinced I am that Mr. Bork has really got to the root.

The bankers of course.  Even if they dont think they are, boil it down, and in the in its all about supporting the system no matter the cost.

You guys have some great information here.  You see the problem with amazing clarity, and even explained the situation in a way I have not heard yet, which cleared the air around some issues I wasnt sure on.

hum, I would really like to get more involved.

Unfortunately, this is the ONLY forum I can post in, even after registering and getting approved.

oh, and I need 5 post to send a private message.


+4

I believe the Senators represent Washington DC along with the multinationals.  The seventeenth amendment allowed for a popular vote of the Senators. I believe this took more power away from the states.  Formerly the states were the ones who voted to elect their representation of the state. When we the citizens were the electors this allowed for a popularity contest to evolve into what it is today. What a problem. repeal the seventeenth amendment and return the elective power back to the states. I believe the states are more capable of getting the senators to work for their state than the current solution.

I think in Foggy Bottom one must go along to get along, therefore representatives will do the bidding of the Rich Men of the world, or they will be dispatched in one way or another.

wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:08pm:

I believe the Senators represent Washington DC along with the multinationals.  The seventeenth amendment allowed for a popular vote of the Senators. I believe this took more power away from the states.  Formerly the states were the ones who voted to elect their representation of the state. When we the citizens were the electors this allowed for a popularity contest to evolve into what it is today. What a problem. repeal the seventeenth amendment and return the elective power back to the states. I believe the states are more capable of getting the senators to work for their state than the current solution.

So the 14th is not a issue.

Jerry wrote on Sep 1st, 2010 at 11:26am:

wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:08pm: I believe the Senators represent Washington DC along with the multinationals.  The seventeenth amendment allowed for a popular vote of the Senators. I believe this took more power away from the states.  Formerly the states were the ones who voted to elect their representation of the state. When we the citizens were the electors this allowed for a popularity contest to evolve into what it is today. What a problem. repeal the seventeenth amendment and return the elective power back to the states. I believe the states are more capable of getting the senators to work for their state than the current solution. So the 14th is not a issue.

That is what people think. Really sad. See what Bill Clinton has to say about it :

• http://www.notmygovernment.us/forum/NMG.pl?num=1283125417

We all know their allegiance should be to the U.S. Constitution then the state in which they voted into office.

wrote on Sep 1st, 2010 at 2:10pm:

We all know their allegiance should be to the U.S. Constitution then the state in which they voted into office.

What the he!! ! Somebody needs to read the RED!

Wow,  what a different take on things when you look through a new pair of glasses.  I can actually laugh at what I was thinking and see the fault of my own logic, not even a month ago!  Seriously, when you do not have the proper information.  Life appears much different.  When you begin to take a good look at how this changes many other things about how life really is... Wow!! So here we have a classic example of ignorance. LOL. Thanks to many of you in here, I now have a new pair of glasses.

Right on, Submariner!  We can only tell people that we a have a different pair of glasses that they should check out.  It takes a modicum of trust and confidence to actually pick them up and put them on, like you have done.  So how do we get people to do that?  What specifically moved you to keep learning?

I've learned that the willingness of others to take a chance on these new "glasses" is inversely proportional to their investment in the status quo.   (The more they benefit from the way things are, the more resistant they are to entertaining any new ideas or perspectives.)  This is the question that seems to keep us all beating our heads against the wall.

Way to go submariner!

There allegiance is in becoming wealthy, of this I am certain. For every "Representative" in Washington, There are three lobbiest of special interest. Ask yourself, "Why would someone spend twenty million dollars to get a job that will pay them two hundred thousand?"

Clearly they don't uphold the Constitution. They don't even read the questions before they vote on 'em. There's a motive for everything and it's a tangled web brilliantly veiled... but if you look at the subject from outside the box and connect the dots everything leads to the banksters... the NWO. Everything operates under the UCC.

I would like to think the State representatives begin their young political career full of spunk and really wanting to change the system to something better.  But shortly after getting into power they realize how the game is played and what it is really all about, and it’s at this point they lose their heart to the system and corruption begins. I try to see the good in people all persons including the miss guided ones.

The New Mexico state house of fat cats if debating on debit card fees aka taxes.
I'll have to go back to being my own banker again but learn how to do this in a
better way. I hope PAC and The Red Amendment can help me with this.

This was a tough one.  I ultimately picked D.C. because it was the closest... or next in line. We know that D.C. is manipulated by corporations and totally controlled by the world bankers...  so one could have checked any of those. I just so happened checked the next in line on the chain.