People seem to not want to get involved in fixing the problems that America is experiencing. [smiley=shrug.gif]
We need to understand why this is the case. Please vote on this issue.

It's probably a combination of several of those reasons (in the poll).

I believe that complacency is a direct result of a fluoridated water supply.

Jeremiah 8:14;

"Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

https://nwo101.com/2007/11/why-americans-do-not-resist-domination.html

Involvement. To be involved or not be involved. THAT is the question that I have struggled with for quite some time now. I'm now leaning strongly toward NOT being involved and here is why.

Being involved means being part of the system and quite frankly the system is broken. Sometimes it leans left, sometimes it leans right but it is always broken.

I find it much more liberating and effective to find an alternative to the system than change the existing monstrosity. This is maritime law and I don't care how many steerage class "citizens" stick their oar in the water, the have little power to change the course of this gigantic ship which places manipulation, greed, and corruption in the finest suites and closest to the life boats (almost literally).
In short, I don't want to be part of the government, I want the government to be part of me--  inconspicuous and responsible. I'll take a tiny raft going where I wish to paddle  any day over a steel coffin headed for an iceberg.  

I believe it is a combination of all those things in the poll.  As well some times I believe its the way the information is presented to them as well.  With some people this is the first time hearing this so you have to start out small and at the beginning and bring them up to your level of understanding to where they will listen witch is a tediest task in itself but I believe in can be done.

AND I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnall, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Corinthians Chapter 3 verse 1

I  chose all of the above.  

Most people are simple minded and busy enough with their own problems, they cannot be bothered to think about the government and what it does. That is, until it is busting down their door. Not to mention, government intentionally makes it difficult for the people to understand what the government is doing, (they put it all in code for that reason) and they have done such a good job of making the populous ignorant and bombarding them with commerce and BS propaganda... They dont have time to think about the government.

Some people even speak in sound bites! Have you ever noticed that?

V

All of the above. The populace isn't to the point yet for mass awakening, too stuck in the matrix, which is a variety of things.

I think we need to add one more:         “They don’t know what to do.” [smiley=undecided.gif]
I have met a lot of good people that are fed up and frustrated, but don’t know what or how to change things. Some jump on the first thing that comes along and then get burnt out when things don’t go like they thought they should or the other people don’t have the same goals or perceived intentions.
[smiley=arguing.gif]
I myself started with the tea party idea then thought Ron Paul was the answer. Started to learn about the constitution and learned the progression of things.
1. Protect your property
2. Get educated
3. Take action
And that it HAD to be in that order.
Then thought the Continental Congress movement had the sure fire answer to today’s problems. And I’m sure there are other factions I felt were definitely on the right track.  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]
At some point in my search I came across NMG and currently think it’s “THE” foundation that is needed to prevail. First personally, then in my country [Illinois], and then the government. I can’t see that starting with the government and then hoping it trickles back down to me will work. [smiley=hmmm.gif] Every 'right' has an equal 'responsibility' that matches.

Let me get back on topic, my point is that I believe in the rule:
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Point is that some of these people have not gotten where they want to be yet, they are still asking, seeking, and knocking. These are the people that WILL do something when they get their answers. [Thank you NMG]
On the other side for the people who are not asking, seeking, or knocking what possibly can we give them? If it isn’t their energy, no matter what rabbit hole they go down they will be sheep. Sheep need shepherds, I think our job is to be and find shepherds.

That’s my rantings-thanks for reading.
Tim [smiley=cheers.gif]

I just voted in this poll and voted all of the above.  Then I read all of the posts.  

Rather than focus on those that are not interested in becoming involved for whatever reason, just move on until you find someone else who is interested.  There are millions out there especially now after the bailouts who are willing to listen.

So, yes, once again, it is up to us to keep moving on until we find just one more who will listen to what we have to say.

Seems "all of the above" rules/wins. This is obvious to those like we are, awake, and informed. As we trudge along through our daily existence, it's obvious that others are more concerned with their distractions, than with their existence. The dementia that is so prevelent, is overwhelming, and "a crying shame."

Trying to communicate with the "brain dead" seems to be a monumental mission, yet perhaps some day a "break-thru" might happen. (Not Holding Breath Here). Seems this is/are the issues:

1) Voting: "They" Believe/Think that it's "right", and will "help" them. (Brain Dead)

2) "Involvement" : Since "they" are Brain Dead, forget any sembelence of intelligence.

3) "Busy" with their lives/marriage/children/job/etc. Humans/"Citizens" are the perfect Ch/Cattle, as they are easily programed, and suseptable to mind control/brainwashing, which makes the task even more daunting, since the majority reads/listens/watches/ "mainstream".

4) Hope is always available, but don't count on your army before they are armed (with the right "weapon(s)" of course). And this is one of the most difficult tasks...making sure they are ready, and can properly use the ammo......

F-e-a-r. Their god is too small.

I believe some folks are just afraid to go head to head,confrontation with the government isn't an act many aspire to, Apathy is another reason.... many simply don't wish to make any meaningful change within their
community; they continue to believe the false premise that one can't fight city hall.......

I find also, that the so-called "educated" , most of them any way, are so dummed down that they can't tell the difference between a hole in the ground and their own backsides.  They TRULY BELIEVE what they have been taught, or if you will, PROGRAMMED.

I tried explaining some of this stuff to a guy that had a bachelor degree and also worked in the stock market for years, and it was like talking to a brick wall.  Oh well, he will either wake-up in time to save himself and his family or, he will wake-up and find himself and his family in a FEMA hotel where you get a continnental breakfast just before his daily labor begins.

Coming to terms with the truth of what has been happening is very huge.  I believe that as a people we carry so much of a burden in the form of debt and excesiveness that we are so concerned about making the bills and that it takes time to re-think, okay how are we going to live?  What is the next step?  It seems as if everyone is content to just get what they need from some huge big box discount store, foregoing another choice driving home at 80 miles an hour so they can spend 5 minutes with their children.  It is tragic really. 

There is a lack of trust by many of us. Since just about everything I was taught growing up isn't correct, who can I trust? There is so much order in the disorder that I know someone or something is in control. Is it man or God or a god or a space ship? My philosophy at this time is that we are an experiment in a test tube. If we become too aggressive the scientist, student or God drops in a dose of calm or vice versus if we start to stagnate. At some point the 12 year old chemistry student is going to pour her project down the sink to hurry to her next class when the bell rings.
   This may seem off the subject but the truth is fat people don't revolt. I don't like paying taxes or getting a license to be able to own a dog but I have it pretty good. I feel it won't last but it won't change until we get hungry- a drop of aggression. 

wrote on Jan 22nd, 2010 at 4:21pm:

There is a lack of trust by many of us. Since just about everything I was taught growing up isn't correct, who can I trust?

You trust yourself, only, Joconn. Trust in others must be temporary and treated with some degree of scepticism, unfortunately. Everything I was taught growing up (with the exception of one 6th grade teacher who was drummed out of the system for teaching us critical thinking about Civil War reconstruction) was wrong, but I believe my teachers thought they were right. So in that regard they weren't lying I suppose.

Your analogy is interesting. If we are a mere experiment and therefore unimportant, why not push it to the limit. Consequences won't matter ... it's only an experiment. That was actually part of my thinking when I corrected my status 2 years ago. That and my personal drive to make things right.

Take care,

Joconn you are very correct, "fat people will not revolt".  Are we fat or are we slaves to a master that makes us believe we have it better.  We were all born into this slavery.  Until the slave believes the master will not feed him or cloth him or house him we will die slaves. 

Our nation has become a nation of those who believe they are "entitled".

Cheers.
III

wrote on Aug 12th, 2009 at 11:10pm:

F-e-a-r. Their god is too small.

[smiley=lol.gif]

Hello to all, I voted all the above an I know from an experience in trying to educate folks over  40+ yrs and most have their heads in the sand and are waiting/hoping for someone else to pull there asses up outa of it the sand that is...most WON'T take the responsibility to learn any of the truth or as others have stated jump on the first band wagon that happens,and are stuck on stupid! I've come to a place that if/when I speak with an individual I can tell in less than 5 mins. if I'll be able to get thru to them. If not I give them somthing that will get them at the least started,but in my experience most will not go after it as they're to brainwashed to except the truth. Ex: I know many in the professoriate they are all very smart,but all are absoulutley brain dead when it comes to the government and do not want to hear anything I've got to say no matter at what angle I've tried to show them...minus one physics prof/retired. Tells me why do you think I have all my investments overseas a laugh that we used to have now deceased,but I'm working on his son now who works for SAM in washington an mit grad and is listening I think I gave him my edition of the Red Amendment now I got come up with some $ to buy a new one chuckle I hope when he's done he'll give it to his boss to read... Blessings  [smiley=cool.gif]

I choose all of the above because it seemed logical.
You could put a few more reasons up there as well, but they probably would fall under "happy with themselves".  Some people like their benefits. Some people don't mind paying taxes because they think  sometimes they "get something back".

One reason I didn't see is...  because they look to the government to rule them instead of God.
Some people (even as adults) need babysitting and they forget who their Father is.

I wasn't very religious until I got into this.
I did pray for honesty, freedom, peace of mind... and was led to here. 
Maybe you believe in God or not, but I don't feel I was led to this point on accident.
When you place your faith in man (sheep following the government), you are bound to eventually get slaughtered.
I don't want to live that way...  either as a sheep or one to be slaughtered.
And if I do so get slaughtered, I prefer it to be as a free man.

It is difficult to unplug people from the Matrix. I find a good way in doing so is by laying down some cheese. Then another little piece... and just watch the mouse go through the tunnel.  If you gave the mouse the whole chuck of cheese at once it won't know what to do with it or how to handle it. It may just die right there out of shock. There are exceptions, but most people resemble the mouse.

When I tell people what I am about to do some are silent and some are full of questions.
Most of it relates to how am I going to do this or that? Mainly, how am I going to take care of myself?
Well, that is exactly what I will have to do... take care of myself for indepedence means no sucking on government thumbs.

I voted they are afraid of repurcussions but the option I was looking for is: "they have not been taught it is their duty to care."

Somehow we (those on this forum and others) escaped collective, non-aggressive, non-questioning indoctrination in our yourger years. I'm sure if we thought about it long enough we could find a common element or two that make us non-communists.

   I think you could find people in all of those catagories and then some. Most people are not open minded enough to even entertain the idea that the government is not looking out for their best interests. Many are completely unwilling to acknowledge the issue even if they new it to be true, because they would have to leave their comfort zone. and many are not honest enough with themselves to realize they are in total denial, (they probably think it's a river in Egypt).  [smiley=hmmm.gif]


          "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance----- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
                                                                                                              Herbert Spencer

All of the above, and then some. Excellent Herbert Spencer quote, fedup. I certainly find that to be true.

A lot of good people have been fighting to change the direction of the US government away from Socialism for well over 50 years, and things just seem to get worse. I think a lot of people have given up hope and have decided that human nature is just too corrupt or something.

wrote on Apr 28th, 2010 at 2:42pm:

A lot of good people have been fighting to change the direction of the US government away from Socialism for well over 50 years, and things just seem to get worse. I think a lot of people have given up hope and have decided that human nature is just too corrupt or something.

It will only get worse due to the fact people love a free ride... That is one reason why state nationals get out.

Disturbing dependence. Enough said.

I voted for "fear of repercussion" but, I feel it is also a "you can't fight City Hall" mentality. Through the years, when talking to many different people of all ages about governmental ills, more people than not, have said the "you can't fight City Hall"  I think they say that out of "fear of repercussions" from whatever level of government we may have been talking about. It is scary to stand up against any bully, whether it be a governmental bully, school bully, at work bully, or any kind of bully in any kind of setting.  I think once people realize that they have had a choice all along and still do, that this is peacefully and lawfully, their right to do so, and how this choice was never openly shown/presented to them, that this, I feel, will make the difference now, in helping people decide to become involved with turning this great Union of many States around, and putting her back on the track she should've been to begin with, before these imposters of this present (de facto) government hijacked/stole our original (de jure) form of government.

The dog doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds him, especially when the leash is around his neck.

I voted all of the above

I am trying to get involved, after years of disinterest, but I find getting access to this community ridiculously impossible.  I get registered, and approved, but cant click the link to post an introduction.  When I say I dont have access, I am told to go post an introduction in the new members section so I can get more access (yes, the area I cant get access to). hum.....

Do you really want more members? I mean really?  I signed up for the news letter and to receive more information on the other sites here as well, and nothing.

+2

wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 11:46am:

I voted all of the above I am trying to get involved, after years of disinterest, but I find getting access to this community ridiculously impossible.  I get registered, and approved, but cant click the link to post an introduction.  When I say I dont have access, I am told to go post an introduction in the new members section so I can get more access (yes, the area I cant get access to). hum..... Do you really want more members? I mean really?  I signed up for the news letter and to receive more information on the other sites here as well, and nothing. +2

The whole purpose of the Coalition centers on the book, The Red Amendment. There is a lot of information on all the sites and much of it is sprinkled around for a reason: Freedom is not free, and there is no quick fix. So, due dilligence is the name of the game. We weed out the people that are boat anchors this way. As far as access to the areas of PAC Groups, aquiring/reading The Red Amendment gains access to this area.

LB Bork wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 2:14pm:

wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 11:46am: I voted all of the above I am trying to get involved, after years of disinterest, but I find getting access to this community ridiculously impossible.  I get registered, and approved, but cant click the link to post an introduction.  When I say I dont have access, I am told to go post an introduction in the new members section so I can get more access (yes, the area I cant get access to). hum..... Do you really want more members? I mean really?  I signed up for the news letter and to receive more information on the other sites here as well, and nothing. +2 The whole purpose of the Coalition centers on the book, The Red Amendment. There is a lot of information on all the sites and much of it is sprinkled around for a reason: Freedom is not free, and there is no quick fix. So, due dilligence is the name of the game. We weed out the people that are boat anchors this way. As far as access to the areas of PAC Groups, aquiring/reading The Red Amendment gains access to this area.

Is it possible to read this book without purchasing it?  Its not that I wouldn't like to support financially your materials (and rightly so) but that I absolutely cannot afford any extra expenditures right now.

Thank you for your response.

Afraid not.  One must have the book to gain access.  So many, including myself, are financially strapped and live on the most meager means.  The old penny jar is how many of us have obtained The Red Amendment.
[smiley=1smilie.gif]

LeAnne wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 4:52pm:

Afraid not.  One must have the book to gain access.  So many, including myself, are financially strapped and live on the most meager means.  The old penny jar is how many of us have obtained The Red Amendment. [smiley=1smilie.gif]

Thank you for your reply.  I suppose I will have to place this on the priority list, but as it stands now, basic needs trump all.  I will remain active here, and as soon as I am more accepted among the community will share my opinions on the matter.  To do so now I believe might alienate and I'm not interested in creating drama  [smiley=wink.gif]

There's tons of info, as you've likely found, in the PAC portal sites.  There's also recorded conference calls we have had that will interest you.  This is an educational forum and more, and want you to feel free to post.  There is correction, when someone doesn't get a thing correct. I've been guilty of being wrong, but I'm thick skinned. All questions are good ones; only way to learn. Opinions abound. They can be changed with proper foundations.
[smiley=wink.gif]

Check out our TalkShoes and post away:

https://pacinlaw.us/talkshoe

wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 5:14pm:

LeAnne wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 4:52pm: Afraid not.  One must have the book to gain access.  So many, including myself, are financially strapped and live on the most meager means.  The old penny jar is how many of us have obtained The Red Amendment. [smiley=1smilie.gif] Thank you for your reply.  I suppose I will have to place this on the priority list, but as it stands now, basic needs trump all.  I will remain active here, and as soon as I am more accepted among the community will share my opinions on the matter.  To do so now I believe might alienate and I'm not interested in creating drama  [smiley=wink.gif]

[quote]

Kavi:
DO place The Red Amendment on your priority list! It will help you understand much of what is offered and/or discussed in the forum. The true meaning of the 14th amendment is brought to light, quickly and succinctly in the book.
Skip
Frank 'Skip' Arensmann

First thing they have to do is admit that they've been completely shammed....this is hard for an entirely ego driven society, we are all taught to be right in everything, whether that means speaking the truth, or just saying whatever sounds good at the time.

  I also don't think the majority is ready to take responsibility of thinking, without being told how to do so correctly by their masters(consciously or subconsciously).

  I have found, even for myself, that just starting to speak out , or against, or just separating myself from "the herd" is a scary moment, especially when done from this notmygovernment standpoint.

  I marked all of the above, and then some.

It is human nature to not react to something until it causes you pain or pleasure. Most individuals have not yet reached the pain threshold, with regard to the destruction of our economy, required to motivate them to action. Most soon will.

Many will act as I already have, merely at the perception of wrong, followed by performing their own serious research (including, hopefully The Red Amendment). Then, accompanied by ample evidence of state and national systemic failure, they will turn to focus on local governance, caring first about family, friends, neighborhood, then community and county. In most cases our state governments have been corrupted by federal influences and must be dismantled and rebuilt only on an as-needed basis.

People close to home know what is best for them. I prefer to live in a small community that can be responsive to my needs and wants, remaining as independent as possible from higher authority. We individuals are the best judges of how to generate, save and spend our own capital, not some far-removed, corrupt and dysfunctional bureaucracy. When our fiat currency collapses, bringing down the national economy, perhaps at that point will people become motivated to act against this illegal and immoral government.

When our fiat currency collapses, bringing down the national economy, perhaps at that point will people become motivated to act against this illegal and immoral government.

But the act that will most likley happen will be violence for the simple fact that most people have no clue to the legal way out of this de facto system. And this is done by design.

When you are trying to live with a safety net, to move on to the tightrope with no net is scary. My best take on this issue. The key point to be taken here is TRYING to live with a safety net. The net is merely an illusion...

wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 10:38pm:

When you are trying to live with a safety net, to move on to the tightrope with no net is scary. My best take on this issue. The key point to be taken here is TRYING to live with a safety net. The net is merely an illusion...

I think the net serves a dual purpose; the main purpose being a ball and chain.

Oh yes the safety net. How can we show the false hoods of that? Lets start with this one SS we work all our lives hoping at the end what ever that is (they keep changing it) that we get to go home and sit on your cans and look for the checks to come in.  Can anyone find the court case that plainly states that that they can stop that at any time?

YOU VOLUNTEERED INTO IT JUST LIKE EVERTHING ELSE.

I voted all of the above, but for a different reason.

All of the excuses start with "they".  "They" are the ultimate enemy of liberty, for no matter where I go, "they" are either already there or are on the way.  "They" can do whatever they desire, for "they" know the only one that can stop them is "somebody". 

"Look what 'they' are doing!  'Somebody' should stop them!"

Unfortunately, "somebody" always seems to be somebody else.  Unless "they" are giving away free shiny things, "somebody" will never be equated with "me".  "Me" only shows up when "they" dangle a new product that will be given to "somebody".  At this time the chorus of "Me! Me! Me!" emanating from they throng of "somebody's" and "they's" will crescendo until "somebody" collects the prize that "they" handed out.

"They should have given me the prize.  Somebody should do something about that."

Seneca told me that the unexamined life is not worth living.  I'll pray for courage and humility to never look at another "they" or "somebody" - for it is, always has been, and always will be, me.

The citizens have been programmed to believe that voting is the only solution to the problems. Indoctrination achieved by the United States Department of Education has been very effective. Never has it been more clear as to the importance of distraction... professional sports, etc. Geithner spilled the beans when he said "never let a crisis go to waste"... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Let's go down the rabbit hole together and learn Truth.

I voted all the above. But sadly it isn't reserved to just this subject matter. Apathy is a huge part of human nature.

This "voting" here should be changed to: "you selected", or "select your answer from these:", or "Please select one of the below"..or something to that effect. Since "voting is a crime", even "to vote" on this forum seems to be NOT PRACTICING WHAT IS PREACHED!!! (LB..Hint..HInt..)  [smiley=hello.gif]

wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 11:55pm:

This "voting" here should be changed to: "you selected", or "select your answer from these:", or "Please select one of the below"..or something to that effect. Since "voting is a crime", even "to vote" on this forum seems to be NOT PRACTICING WHAT IS PREACHED!!! (LB..Hint..HInt..)  [smiley=hello.gif]

Get a life  [smiley=speechless.gif]

I selected all of the above, but as I have come to discover in my talks on the subject and all the encouragement for doing what we are doing most will say its great and will say we need people like us out there, but think they will be visiting me in jail soon for speaking out against the government with that said it has become most obvious to me that FEAR is the biggest obstacle to over come.  In my opinion the best way to fight and concur fear is with education, the more you educate yourself on the matter at hand the more comfortable you will become and the big bad wolf then becomes nothing more than a little scared crying puppy dog.  Dress yourself in the armor of the Lord and nothing can ever harm you. 

My answer was all of the above.

Yes there is fear of persecution.
I once had a blog that defiantly picked a subject such as what drinking water and food additives are doing to us, the scam of Big Pharma and Big Medical, etc. One day I picked up an Obama Youth Internet predator. It can get pretty scary when your Big Brother Leach finds your phone number and e-mail addresses, threatening to hunt you down. Today, I have learned from private investigators how to protect myself and keep a watchful eye, even how to look up phone numbers to find what Fusion Center is my latest culprit.

Few realize that Americans are also being dumbed down by what I call the government tool of obedience aka your TV or....Indoctrivision. If you don't own a TV and have managed to recover your brain cells as I have, you can then sit in front of TV and snap your fingers at the subliminal messages being sent over the Indoctrivision telling you to be a good consumer and how everything is just fine. Once you have gotten to the point of tossing your Indoctrivision in the trash, things like having the latest and greatest don't matter any more.

I have done some heavy research into this fact by once more interviewing various levels of media and the publication industry. Big Brother pretty much owns them thanks to the TARP money they received. I found this out after one of my last query rejections arrived with a note penned to me by what I suspect is one of the few lit agents left with a spine, brave enough to admit she liked my idea but would be black-balled if she represented my work. Today I use a POD publisher who isn't afraid to go up against Amazon for cheating authors out of their money and their work.

And then there the happily entitled who live off of Social Security. After managing to sell my home before it would go into Foreclosure, I am a full time RV'er, not retirement age and glad of it. It's a down right shame to see what government entitlements are doing to the minds of this country. The real shame here is that their are also voting! I have had to break camp and leave RV parks where I would often get the comment of: "Keep working so you can pay my social security."

Yeah, I was working my tail off from dark-thirty to past midnight as home health nurse to pay the bills I was left with after my husband passed away, and yes, to pay dearly just to sell my clouded title, over mortgaged home. All I could do was shake my head and walk away in disgust from these people. If you said anything to them, they wouldn't understand anyway.

In case you haven't figured this out: I am here in seek a different way of life.
Yes, I am a military widow and I get a so called "Widow's Benefit Check." But the last time I had to get my Military ID renewed, I was finger printed as I were a criminal. Well I refuse to have that card renewed again. I will not have the hope of a little government income hitting my bank account each month held over me like a carrot on a string. We the people need to learn this, and if I have to walk that path to then teach America....then so be it.

Sincerely,
D.M. Simonds