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[quote author=575A4C565A553B0 link=1290281912/27#27 date=1295322551][b]The below man (Steven Hance) has a good idea on where Tim "The Thief" Turner is wrong. Note that he went to prison for doing similar unlawful things. Turner has stolen his "President" concept from Team Law (Team Flaw). Oh, and in regard to North Carolina being reestablished, I really do not think so... Plebiscite on that?[/b] From: Steven Hance <sch704@yahoo.com> To: WethePeople Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 7:52:53 PM Subject: Re: Has Anyone Become Part Of Restore America? I used to consider Tim Turner a good friend. We were confederates with a dozen other Christian men committed to restoring the republic. All of us had standing invitations to attend any of his seminars as his guest. We had numerous private meetings with him. All that to say this: NONE of those dozen men, including me, will now have anything to do with Tim unless he repents of his current insanity. I attended a meeting a few months ago with Tim and a few of those men in a last ditch effort to get to the bottom of what Tim was up to. Of primary concern to me was to find out exactly how he intends to "restore" the constitutional republic, which was created by 13 independent and autonomous republics, without the advice and consent of those republics. Since none of those original republics have been restored, except for North-Carolina where I live, how is it possible to restore the gov't at the national level? Even if the "law of necessity" be the rationale, as he says, where is the escape plan from this "provisional" gov't. What is the exit strategy? How do you convince a handful of men to relinquish so much power once it is obtained? How do you force the submission of a "top down" gov't to a "bottom up" republic? The obvious answer is: the military. Would that be the same military that was just allegedly used to put the new "provisional" gov't in power? C'mon, we're all smarter than that. At least I hope we are, though frankly I wonder. It is my sad opinion that Tim is being influenced, possibly controlled by sinister forces. I know he is not the same man that I used to know. He's become irrational, intractable and unresponsive to probative questions. Besides, formation of a provisional gov't has NEVER in history resulted in the restoration of anything. It has always been the precursor to a completely new gov't structure, the destruction of the previous gov't. Indeed it probably cannot be otherwise. I was a last minute participant in an attempt to restore a constitutional republic in Montana state back in '96. We all went to prison---well, most of us did. Only those who cooperated with the feds escaped. However, I now know what the fatal flaw was in all that LeRoy and the men of Justus township did. They formed a new gov't on the soil of an existing government's jurisdiction. Justus township was created under the auspices of the constitutional republic of Montana state, Garfield county!! In case you missed the significance of that, they claimed to berestoring a legitimate government, pursuant to the constitution of Montana. Had they gone to the other inhabitants of the pre-existing township where they lived, and got a referendum to alter the township's status, its name, etc., there would have been no flaw. What they did made them insurrectionists because what they did was unlawful. What Tim Turner is doing is even more unlawful than that. He is abrogating every law possible. There is no foundation anywhere for what he is doing. His claim is that the Declaration of Independence represents his authority; but what he fails to understand is that what followed the signing of the Declaration was a long, expensive and bloodywar! In the end, the Tories won anyway. My main concern is that Tim is being used to set up the next major assault on the patriot community. I'm afraid it will end with bloodshed and lots of people going to prison for a very long time. That's the way I see it. Steven Charles Hance [/quote]
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