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[quote author=737E68727E711F0 link=1290281912/13#13 date=1291936077]David, you, like other island makers, have allowed Tim Turner to exist by not joining with the Coalition. By your statements in regard to the 14th Amendment (deleted so as not to cause you embarrassment) show that you do not understand what we are all about. Attitudes like yours will allow this system to continue another 145 years (in theory, that is). Like I have stated many times before, the 14th came before the 16th. [b]So you say the 14th Amendment was not ratified or does not matter? What's all this then?[/b] [smiley=smack.gif] [list][*]The 14th Amendment Use and Analysis : http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt14toc_user.html [smiley=what.gif] [i]That is a lot of crap![/i][/list][list][*]UNITED STATES v. CRUIKSHANK, 92 U.S. 542 (1875). The citizen cannot complain, because he has voluntarily submitted himself to such a form of government.... he owes allegiance to the two departments ([i]i.e.[/i] the 14th Amendment's dual citizenship), so to speak, and within their respective spheres[i] must pay the penalties[/i]. [smiley=hmmm.gif] [i]What penalties?[/i][/list][list][*]NORDYKE v. KING, 563 F. 3d 439 - Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit (2009). This necessary “right of the people” existed before the Second Amendment as “one of the fundamental rights of Englishmen.” Heller identified several reasons why the militia was considered “necessary to the security of a free state.” First, “it is useful in repelling invasions and suppressing insurrections. Second, it renders large standing armies unnecessary... Third, when the able-bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.” In addition to these civic purposes, Heller characterized the right to keep and bear arms as a corollary to the individual right of self-defense. (“[T]he inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right.”). Thus the right contains both a political component—it is a means to protect the public from tyranny—and a personal component—it is a means to protect the individual from threats to life or limb. We must trace this right, as thus described, through our history from the Founding... [i]Until the enactment of the Fourteenth Amendment.[/i] [smiley=noway.gif] [i]What did that say![/i][/list][/quote]
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